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Daily Group Critiquing: Roof top abstract

JimFilmer JimFilmer 897 posts

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I’d like you guys to do a few things:
1. Tell me what you think of the photo.
2. Tell me what techniques you see used here (like rule of thirds, open aperture, fast shutter, etc)
3. Tell me what post-processing you think would be a good idea for this photo (if any).

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Roof top abstract
by: Gabriel Skoropada

A view of a roof top from my hotel window.
The lines and shadows created a geometric abstract that catched my eye.

Taken at 210 mm focal lenght, 1/250s shutter speed, f/11 and ISO 100.

BYRON BYRON 3155 posts

FIRST IMPRESSIONS
I didn’t like this when I first saw it. Things haven’t improved much since then. I want to like it, but it just doesn’t quite work for me. Close but no cigar.

TECHNICAL QUALITY (10 points)
Settings: Focal length 210mm, 1/250s shutter , aperture f/11, ISO 100.
Since you were looking almost directly at this roof top, f11 is un-neccessary. The extra depth of field you gain from f11 is lost here. If you had used f3.5 or f4 then you may have been able to play around with some depth of field and created some out-of-focus regions. Also, I would like to have seen the shutter increased to say 1/500s – 1/700s (ie under exposed) to boost colour saturations in post production.

Exposure:Ok, but it makes the colours a bit flat.

Lighting: Without the chimney to show some shadow, it would be impossible to tell the direction of the lighting, as it is the lighting is flat and does not transition in quality or intensity across the scene. This does not help create any interest.

Colour Saturations: The colours are a bit flat, and as I mentioned earlier, that could be improved by under exposing your image and then boosting the colours in post production. I usually have my DSLR permanently set to underexpose by one full stop.

Focus / Depth of Field: Since you are looking straight at the scene, everything is in focus. A bit of selective blurring around the edges in post production could really help bring the viewer’s eye back to the chimney.

Sharpness: Very crisp and sharp as would be expected using f11 aperture.

Score: 6

INTEREST (10 points)
Aesthetics / General appearance: I really dig lines and geometric shapes, I really do., but this is too repetetive even for my taste. I think shooting from a lower angle instead of straight at the roof would have been better. You could have used those lines to create divergence and perspective. The concrete in the bottom right corner is very distracting.


Look at this photo by DANI DI CESARE. See how Dani has used lines and repetition to create depth and perspective which draws the viewer through the image. The depth and perspective create interest. The colour saturations are also very eye catching.


Emotional Content: I feel nothing. As the viewer, I want to feel something, but I don’t… How did Gabriel feel when he took this?... I don’t know, and that is a shame.

Storytelling ability / Creative communication of a concept or idea: I am not sure what Gabriel is trying to communicate here. Yes its a grid pattern and a chimney, but after 2 seconds I have seen all I want to see.

Originality: Not very original in execution. I think there were opportunities to use this roof very creatively, but they have been missed.
Score: 4

COMPOSITION (10 points)
Framing / Cropping: A really close zoom so that you can only see 4×4 tiles might have been interesting – a study of texture perhaps? As this image stands now, I would crop it hard and make it a square format so that the chimney is in the bottom left corner of the image and use the diagonal created by the shadow to determine the top right corner position.

Simplicity of Design: At the moment this image is messy. it is just too much. If you tried the crop as suggested ablve, then you would have a simpler cleaner image that would be about parallel lines and a strong diagonal. It would look quite abstract and we would also get a better view of the texture of the tiles.

Points of Interest: The chimney and its shadow are the only point of interest here, and at this distance we can not see them very well. There is little detail in the chimney, which is a shame, because it looks like it could have some great colour and tones.

Rule of Thirds: The chimney is poorly placed within the frame. As it is now it is too low within the image. It should be on the LHS and placed squarely 1/3rd from the LHS and 1/3rd from the bottom to add strength and proportion.

Lines & Diagonals: As mentioned before, if this was re cropped to a square format you could make good use of the strong diagonal made by the shadow.

Balance / Use of Negative Space: This image feels very unbalanced. Because of the position of the chimney within the frame, all sense of proportion has been lost and therefore the feeleing of balance between subject and Negative Space has also been lost. Judicious use of The Rule of Thirds technique would really help here.

Score: 4

GENERAL COMMENTS
Gabriel, I want to like this, and I think I can see where you were going with this. I think it was always going to be a hard one to pull-off succesfully. Being abstract in nature, maybe Black & White would suit better. If so, I would also be tempted to really push the contrast to accentuate the lines.

Do you have other photos of this same subject, or is this the only one? It is a good idea to shoot lots and lots of frames from many different angles and perspectives, – it increases your chances of getting it “right.”

Something about this moved you enough to take this photo. It stimulated you in some way, but you have not communicated that to the viewer. In these situations try to take a breath when you see something that catches your eye and think to yourself “how can I best communicate what I feel right now to my viewer?”

Total Score : 14 / 30

Gabriel Skoropada Gabriel Skoropada 199 posts

Thanks for this extensive critique Byron!
What I liked about this image was the loneliness of the chimney in that roof. Regarding compostion, I couldn’t place it any higher because of it’s position on the roof (this picture shows almost the whole thing).

Being an engineer myself, I’ve always been attracted to geometry and shapes.

I didn’t have much time to shoot pictures of this subject, neither too many angle choices, as I was in my hotel room, this roof was almost exactly below and I was waiting to meet some people in the lobby for some work meeting.

I will try some different crops and adjustments according to your suggestions.

Garth Smith Garth Smith 565 posts

That critique by Byron is the best critique I have ever seen!!!
Apart from the fact that I totally disagree with the point of view LOL
I think Byron is too harsh.
I think its a simple shot done well.
Yes a bit more saturation may make it look a little better.
I disagree that blurring around the edges will improve it. I think this is exactly what Gabriel didnt want and I dont either. The sharpness and clarity and straightness of the lines is what the shot is all about. Perspective and blurring or out of focus would detract from it.
I like the lonely chimney, I like the straight clear lines. I like the angled shadow.
I personally dont necessarily get over excited about the shot but I think it has captured perfectly what it was meant to do.

linsads linsads 145 posts

It makes you question what you see—and i like that in an image x

JimFilmer JimFilmer 897 posts

I like Byron’s objective and measured approach to his critiques, and whether people agree or not is something else. I think there is a lot we can learn from such a structured approach as it helps us to consider each aspect of an image, rather than just getting an overall feel, without considering why we derive that “feel” or impression.

I like the concept of this shot, working on the premise of repeating geometric pattern(s) then finding a break or interruption in it. Here there is the obvious break, ie: the small chimney and it’s shadow. However I was drawn to other “breaks” in the pattern, in particular in the upper RH area where the mortarand finish around one of the tiles is quite different to the rest – perhaps been removed for some maintenance and replaced.
These other slightly less obvious breaks/interruptions do compete with the obvious one.
At first glance I thought that the image was not properly square (ie: horizontals – horizontal, etc) but then realised it was just poor workmanship of the builder/tile layer.

I do find the image to be a bit “flat” and would look to do some post processing to add some “richness” to the colours and some contrast (probably thru “curves”). Not sure at all about the suggestion for selective blurring… but it is something that can be done easily enough to assess its value, and easily removed if it doesn’t work… if you have utilised layers for adding/adjusting each effect rather than doing all the work on one layer.

BYRON BYRON 3155 posts

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