Clinton Tyree KM@


God must die so that we can live.

Now that may sound like Died-again Atheist hyperbole, but I don’t say it lightly and to merely insult Christians. And it it is mainly Christians that it refers to since I have little first-hand experience of any other religion.

I have nothing against people believing whatever nutty theories they like, but I do have serious issues in those nutty theories being given special protection within politics and education.

Again I have nothing against consenting adults getting up to whatever they want so long as it harms no one else.

But I’m afraid to say that is not the current state of affairs in Christianity. Even at a fundamental level of teaching children the Bible at school is too much for me. In terms of child development that equals brainwashing if it isn’t balanced out by a critique from an atheist viewpoint. And to be really honest, I don’t think that anything that cannot be proven should be taught as fact. Be it the Man in the Moon, the Bogeyman or God.

But scarier still we are seeing the emergence of state funded Reg Vardy Creationist schools in the UK.

Creationism is the practice of upholding that everything in the Bible regarding the origins of the planet and man are word for word correct.

Yes the British taxpayer really is subsidising a school run by a used car salesman that teaches children that the planet is under 10,000 years old! That evolution is heresy! You couldn’t make that up and be believed!

Now why the bold title? Well, if creationism goes unopposed, if religious tampering with science and policy goes unchecked we can be sure that we will be facing guaranteed global catastrophe. Indeed, the current science on climate change is incompatible with scripture. Gaia could not have been arrived at through creationism. Gaia is bound up with with science that holds that the planet is eons old, not millennia; that the planet is a self-regulating balance of parameters, not something cobbled together in 6 days by the will of an invisible man who appeared from nowhere.

If the human race hopes to survive the terrible catastrophe we have created, the solution will not be found in the Bible.

And if we want as many bright minds working on the problem as possible, state funding of Iron Age supernatural theories and Middle Eastern death cults is not a compatible strategy.

A strict policy of excluding religion from schools, as opposed to to funding it from the public purse, would also go a long way to encouraging children to exercise their human right to self-determination.

  • roybarry

    roybarry

    What a brilliantly weighted, even handed and well balanced argument.

    I usually sum this question up in a much shorter way-THERE IS NO GOD, STOP WASTING YOUR TIME ON OUTMODED IDEAS FOR THE CREATION OF THE WORLD, PHYSICS IS A MARVELLOUS THING…................

  • Clinton Tyree KM@ replied

    Thanks… and thanks also to Lovelock, Kapra and Dawkins… and most of all to my wonderful devout Christian grandmother who probably instilled any sense of decency I possess (no sarcasm!)

    If someone had come up with physics in 1BC, we’d never have heard of this Jesus chap (as nice as he sounds)... Physics just blows the mind!

    It’s beautiful and it’s shame I can barely count hahaha!

    :-)

  • roybarry

    roybarry

    There was actually a guy called Jesus, he was quite a dude by all accounts, a bit of an early days Che Guevara. He is alledged to be buried in the Tibet area, the grave is guarded by Monks.

    What absolute makes me laugh-every single day, is the Church of England and all its offshoots. THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND WAS SET UP IN THE 15TH CENTURY BY KING HENRY THE EIGHTH, BECAUSE THE POPE REFUSED TO GRANT HIM A DIVORCE-ANGLICANS OF THE WORLD, YOUR CHURCH WAS CREATED SO AN ADULTERER COULD GET HIMSELF OUT OF ANOTHER MARRIAGE…..................

  • Clinton Tyree KM@ replied

    Oh yeah. Some people reckon that if Jesus did exist he had little to do with much of the New Testament. Both Bible books borrow quite heavily from other cults of the time in the region.

    I must say I’m intrigued what kind of slide rule Creationists use to stretch 10 millennia to 3.5 aeons but still retain the time lines they insist prove that the Bible is historically accurate and corresponding to archeology???

    I have for more against religious power structures than I do have against individual religious belief!

    Am I only person who feels quite annoyed by cathedrals and find them as sinister as Hitler’s bunker or the gestapo torture cellars?

    Amazing skills went into building them, but at what cost….

  • roybarry

    roybarry

    Cathedrals are testament to simple mans’ willingness and need to believe in something. They had to believe in something, physics was unknown, there rise of the church was the perfect way to subjugate the masses. The power and sheer hypocrisy of the religions, both western and eastern are scary beyond belief. The terrible, callous acts that have been carried out “in the name of gods” are heinous. And Creationists, well they really are fucked up!!

    I quite like to throw the writings of Eric von Daniken into the mix-tell someone who suffers from religion that we all stand a reasonable chance of basing religions on the worship of ancient alien visitors and watch the blood start to boil…........

  • Clinton Tyree KM@ replied

    Hahahaha! One unprovable theory is as good as the next as far as I’m concerned. After all they tell teh truth about humanity in one way or another!

    But science is great it’s like burning the bra of existential angst. “There is no point other than being as happy and fulfilled as often as possible!”

    :-)

  • roybarry

    roybarry

    I don’t believe the Von Daniken thing either-but it really is such a quick way to guarantee erm, “reaction”..............

    Tee Hee.

  • Clinton Tyree KM@ replied

    Hahaha! You bad man!

  • roybarry

    roybarry

    Many thanks ;-))

  • sunism

    sunism

    Australia worships sport, when we had the 2000 Olympics everything ran like clock work, everyone pulled together. The volunteers were everywhere. If mankind believes in the sun as the supreme power force we could all pull together and make the earth healthy again. People will choose an animal to be in the next life, perhaps an endangered species and their duty this life is to protect their totem’s habitat.

  • Clinton Tyree KM@ replied

    I’m more for co-operation than competition and superiority.

    How would feel about an Olympics with no prizes and it all being about participation?

    And for that matter sport is a terrible waste of natural resources, perhpas we should international events like building clean water wells in sub-Saharan Africa or doling out soup to the homeless… rather wasting all that carbon in making rich corporation richer by getting poor people to run in circles?

  • sunism

    sunism

    Well said Clinton about the Olympic games being replaced with activity to help the third world.

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