Is it me?

Richard Barry
Author: Richard Barry
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Is it me?

Just a ramble about why we shouldn’t limit ourselves as artists to saying only the nice stuff.

Is it me? belongs to the following groups:

Animal Kingdom, Childhood, For the Love of Cats , 1 image a day , in-between, Incredible India, Nikon D80 Users and Nikon DSLR Users Group - 2 uploads per 24 hours

I don’t put work on RB to adorn myself with the ‘fabulous shot’ or ‘beautiful colours’ list. I want my work to be appraised by other photographers who care to share some of their views on my work.

Whilst I appreciate that RB has a ‘be nice’ policy – which I applaud – can we not be mature enough to accept critique from our peers?

I recently uploaded a shot of my neighbour’s kid Harry – it’s had around 30 views and bugger all comments. I’ve asked two of my favourite photographers for their view and they’ve both noticed that the hi-key effect I was attempting was too subtle and washed the image out.

Crikey… couldn’t someone have written that as a comment?

I’m asking for your opinions on having an optional ‘critique my work’ feedback mechanism that works in parallel with the usual ‘hey that’s great’ system we all know and love.

Frankly, if I’ve taken a rubbish shot or made a complete balls of using a process, I want to know that…

What do you think people?

Rich

  • Steve Bullock

    Steve Bullock

    Yeah good point you have, I notice more people get upset by those comments than not though it seems.. Views and comments have been down for pretty much everyone since the powers that be decided to change the format of the site, which may have effectred it, for example your on my watchlist but I didn’t even see anything uploaded!

    So might be a few reasons, but back to the photo, I think the focus on the eyes is excellent, and clarity is also good, but as noted its a little washed out now, looks almost like a photo from the 50s you might see! Its a little soft for me, but everyones different of course, all in all its a good photo capturing the little guys personality!

    Steve

  • aabzimaging

    aabzimaging

    Hi Richard,
    I would take a ‘no comment’ on an image as indication that the shot does not work. People are very careful with criticising other artists because they fear to upset them. Which is fair enough – every person taking the photo had some sort of artistic moment to justify the shot. I totally agree that ‘absolutely awesome’ comments on a poorly executed photo doesn’t do the photographer any good because it will not improve his shooting style. But there is also a lot of people who simply don’t see if the photo is (excuse me) crap. :-)
    Will comment on your photo right now.

  • Richard Barry replied

    Ahhh the Sasch! Guys, if you don’t know Sascha, he’s probably the most talented underwater photographer on the planet and a bloody good bloke! Cheers Sasch… Now I’m terrified of your comments on Harry!!! hahaha. Thanks pal

    ;)

  • Richard Barry

    Richard Barry

    Hey thanks Steve! Well straight away, I got a bit of feedback that may help me improve the shot (well the process of the shot!). I’m not suggesting we change RB, rather add an optional stream for critique. I love RB but if all I can look forward to is people saying what a great shot it is – when really they think the crop is too tight or the saturation too high – or whatever – I’m not learning and that’s not what I need.

    Thanks mate, appreciate your response and your feedback on Harry ;)

  • Houndstooth Studio

    Houndstooth St...

    Hey, who the heck is your other FAVOURITE photographer, haha! I think this site is designed more for politeness than critiquing, as that isnt what most people upload for. Its for showcasing your work not getting feedback. Like Sascha said, no comments is a good sign that it doesnt work, without needing the words. There are groups for critiquing on here though. Photography 101 maybe? Have a search coz ive come across several! Perhaps you could send it thru to those groups asking for advice. I used to be a member of a critiquing site and in the end i actually found it a bit annoying – some people had no photogrpahic experience or knowledge and took pretty ordinary pics, but were telling me my pics were bad! Overall mate the best advice i learnt long ago is if you like the shot you’ve created, it doesnt matter if anyone else does. Some people dont get Baby Butterfly! Most on RB do, but not some external to RB! If i had gone with their opinions no one would have ever seen that shot! Which i love by the way! :)
    I think Harrys parents would love the shot you did because they love the subject matter and its a damn fine photo! Its soooo subjective!
    Seeya tomorrow!!! xxx

  • Richard Barry replied

    hehe cheers Cearnsy ;) Everything you say is true but for crying out loud, if we had an optional flow for critique, we could be nice AND critique shots too… that would work wouldn’t it?

    You wont see me tomorrow BTW – I’m at Million Paws media launch ;) (some of us have proper jobs y’know !!)

    :P

  • Houndstooth Studio

    Houndstooth St...

    Yep, good point mate, there should be an options box to tick if you want critique – Why dontchya email the BM administrators and ask if they would consider it?

  • Richard Barry replied

    You’re right, I will…

  • Mariann Rea

    Mariann Rea

    It’s not just you. When I joined RB and saw the comments and received them myself I was a bit down and up at the same time. It’s nice that people like what you do and say so but it was immediately clear to me that most people using this community are amateurs or just don’t want to upset anyone with their criticism. I prefer to say what I think, just give good criticism. But for example I have seen some really good pics here that unfortunately are not sharp and I have not left a comment. If you post a pic like that then it’s obvious you’re an amateur and there’s no point in me saying it’s blurry…sorry guys.
    Mariann

  • Richard Barry replied

    Hmmmm

  • ausven

    ausven

    Hey Mariann, I would disagree and feel that as an amateur good criticism is exactly what one does need, if the photo is blurry then perhaps a comment like,’Nice compo but watch your focus’ wouldn’t go amiss. Criticism is especially valuable with things that are more technical, i think if somebody doesn’t like my work just because it isn’t there cup of tea then perhaps don’t comment, no point, however if it is something more technical such as composition, balance or technique, then criticism is valuable – and the information gained through that criticism will allow us as artists to grow.

  • Richard Barry replied

    Precisely… Yes. And that’s exactly what this is all about. I want to grow. Photography has become very important to me and I want to nurture the skill as much as possible with erudite comment from my informed peers. It’s the Please Play Nice rule. I understand it and it’s great BUT, can we have the option to Please Play Straight?

  • ausven

    ausven

    By the way Rich darling, your photos are crap – JOKE, you know I love em. :)

  • Richard Barry replied

    LOL!!!

  • Terri Chandler

    Terri Chandler

    I think Rich, that if I felt “qualified” as one worthy of critiquing anyones work here, then I would be more inclined to do so. But I feel that such things should be left said by those of us here who really do qualify as “experts” or at least have enough confidence in their own work to give the criticism you are looking for! xo Until I do, I hope you won’t mind if I just express my gratitude and enjoyment of your work in a kind and simple manner. ;o)

  • Richard Barry replied

    Awww that perrrfect Dances :) I think it appropriate that people who are skilled provide the feedback but even amateurs who spot that the saturation is way too high – as in most of the HDR efforts I’ve seen on RB – welll I think it would be as useful as the experts appraisal. Thanks for your comment :)

  • Tamara  Kenneally

    Tamara Kenneally

    I actually always hesitate when I see a flaw in a photo….I’m sure not sure if I should say anything or not. When you know an artist wants an honest critque it’s easy, but when you don’t know it’s a little uncomfortable doing it. But, now that I know you want honesty…I’ll be right on to it!! One of my most popular images on redbubble I really don’t think is that good, the details in the whites is blown out and everytime I get a comment I think “you’ve gotta be joking”!!

  • Richard Barry replied

    LOL Tamara… That’s precisely what I’m talking about too… There’s a few people on RB whose work is flawed – VERY nice people, but exposures, composition, focus… I mean, they’re dog awful shots. But they have ‘it’s marvelous’ all over them. And there’s nothing wrong with that… BUT, what are they learning? Sascha took the time yesterday to have a look at my Harry shot and pointed out a few things on my hi-keying technique and my composition that frankly I should be shot for. And I’m so grateful tyo him for being candid. I learned that even if the subject is the cutest kid on your street, chopping the image too close to the chin ain’t gonna work AND… a few dollars spent on lighting – rather than that next lens – may just help with those sorts of portraits. And Tamara, I love your stuff. :)

  • KnitGirl

    KnitGirl

    Thank you for writing this brilliant point. I am also on Flickr and have the same problem (I just joined RB about a week ago). I think part of the problem is that people pick too many people on their watchlist which leads them to have no time to really look at other people’s images and make fair assessments of them (good or bad). I personally would love some feedback (including the “bad”), because that’s the only way I’m going to learn and improve. I live in a small community that has no other photographers to get together and share feedback with. But here, it seems people don’t want to offend others - I mean, if my work here is crappy, I want to know why so I can improve it and produce a better image. Thanks again for writing this - I’m glad I’m not the only frustrated one here…

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