A Sleepers Dream In The Tomb Of The Unknown Human

Impressive image..very subliminal!!

What an image! Fantastic capture.

I am of the opinion to leave subjects like what constitutes a ‘real photographer’ and ‘is that art’ well alone. I believe that art and creativity is way too subjective to quantify.

way I figure if someone is in a tussle over what real art is … well them poor things missed the whole concept! very nice Image here I really really like it! Rock on Juliee

for a chance shot you did great… I love it’s sparsity but it’s all enclosed as well sleeping under that skull on the floor must have induced some pretty far out dreaming… cool stuff juilee

thanks every body. Judith I would have liked a conversation about the subject but got a death threat instead. Oh well no point going there again. I’m glad you find this an interesting image. It was an interesting time to be honest.

I tend to agree – especialy on a site like this where most things are taken out of context, are amplified and / or taken personally – shame really.

I like the spontenaity of this image, its documentary elements, and of course its photgraphic quality ;))

wow thanks everybody. I was somewhat rock by yesterdays response but no point in chasing abuse. This shot is acutally about the way life cuts through art and arrives at the same place in the end. Chance will do that to an image.

Jewels – your portfolio is awesome – whoever said that to you is totally jealous !

Thanks Kathleen and Robert. I appreiciate your comments and support in being free to post what is real to me. Life is real to me and as an artist rather than a photograher I have to chase life in order to make art that means anything. Like jemimalovesb says….. art and creativity are way too subjective to quantify. Which is just like life.

thanks Amedori all I can say is :)

Yes, very interesting. Your use of the pattern is perfect.

thanks Patricia the pattern is actcually screenprinted posters of a repeat image of skulls.

One of the wonderful things about Redbubble is that it gives you the opportunity TO post “real images”. Rock on Juilee!

thanks Naomi. yes I agree we are all real and redbubble is real and even the unreal is real here in this virtual gallery.

Gee – I find it surreal in this digital age that there are conversations re real photographers – I thought digital opened the door to all comers.In my mind, a photographer knows and can control an image capture – Really like your IR shots – Julilee.

Thanks trek . The IR shots are way my own favorites. Not anywere as popular as the nudes etc but still the closest to my own heart. thanks again.

Oh wowl Awesome work

Thanks Helen. I have always loved this mad image. I have a really really big print of it with deep black velvet framing and a brass plague with its title on the bottom. Looks mad. Very powerful presence to it.

Sorry I missed that conversation. Are any of us real photographers, or just people fulfilling a passion we have for photography, and the freedom of expression? I like this shot Juilee!! keep on expressing yourself. I enjoy your humor.

thanks Rod I’m glad you can see some humor in my ramblings. Welll here’s to all the unreal photograhers out there. :)

Excellent!

thanks colin :)

I’m not sure what I have spent more time doing – reading and re-reading your conversation anecdote or staring at this pic. They both demand attention and pack a punch

this is amazing!

Thanks wellman I will be adding more powerful shots from this time in my life so watch out! :) I”m so glad that you find this compelling. thanks again.

Perfect

thanks Paul for stopping by. “)

ohh and Antantas thank you as always. :)

Amazing capture!

Julie,
REAL or UNREAL, this is a fascinating image.
just be true to yourself Julie, that’s all we can do for ourselves..

thanks nifter. :)

thanks Peter I really appreicate your comments on my work and your philosphy generally . :) yes wise words indeed. Be true to yourself always. thanks again.

Technology moves on. People saying that using digital manipulation no longer makes you a real photographer is like paint/drawing artists saying to photographers what they do isn’t art. Sounds like you real photographer has some “issues”. I appreciate your work for the feelings that it evokes. Who cares what label they want to put on it.

Bodeacia thanks heaps for you comments. Yes time renders all absolute statements irrelevant in the end. Personally I’m interested in the image that results from the act of art making not being judged by someone else as to weather my pictures are ‘real’ enough.

Hit him with your camera it will only hurt if its a real camera from a real photographer.great looking shot Juilee.

Thank you heaps for that comment Alistair. I think he may have unintentionally done me a favor. I had to think about weather I could put that label ” real photograher ’ with its implyed elitisim on myself and realized that I couldn’t do it. I love photography to bits and will never stop practicing the art of photography but as an artist, with passion and curiousity and dedication to the craft and not by saying that my skill with a camera makes me better or more ‘real’ than anyone else.

Its the passion that makes you real!.

thanks alistair thats such a lovely thing to say. :)

Oh God this image is a knock out, Juilee. from one ‘unreal’ photographer to another, your work is not only worthwhile but stunning and truthful at the same time. i love your new found freedom, look out world! I have only been with the bubble for a short period of time and to say i am shocked at some the rage leveled at you would be an understatement, i didn’t think that type of person would bother logging on to spray spew around everywhere and upset what is otherwise an immensely supportive community of artists. sad affair. cheers Linda.

thanks Linda for your very supportive comments. some people live to spray spew over all around them. I just seem to have a knack of bring it out in them but then also I’ve met some awesome and incredibly supportive people as well. like your self. :)

love this image, the repetition and the the randomness of it all.. . the central figure just makes it for me! Cool work!

Awesome image this is totally amazing!

Thanks Jeff :0 Its pretty old but still pretty powerful. Glad you like it.

Here I am again, arriving at the party after the hors’ dourves have dried up – about 19 days – but, might as well weigh in….You’re not the real deal? sorry to hear that….. I’m not that thoughtful of a guy, but two questions leaps to mind – 1) If you promised to work on your attitude, would you have a shot at “positive psycho bitch?” and 2) if you’re not a real photographer, who created “Rise?” I’m just saying….

shawhouse you make me laugh. yes ok I”ll work on my attitude and maybe in the fullness of time I’ll become a positive phyco bitch. what a concept. and yes indeed who shot ‘rise’. oh thats right it was ME. what ever that means. I can’t believe how upset I was at the time about that bit of vileness but now with some really lovely support I feel fine again. I can only be who I am at the end of the day like all of us. we do our best and try our hardest and thats all anyone can really do I guess.

Juilee this is a great photo – photography like art is a personal thing and I look at your work and see someone who is a ‘true artist’ in as much as you are not afraid to experiment and understand the relationship between aesthetics and mind….sorry iIcould go on all night about this…anyway, your friend is sadly not as ‘informed’ artistically, creatively or in any way as you. Carry on the good work.

Gerijuliaj your comments have really touched me. I may never reach the criteria of ‘real photographer but it that will never stop me making art. And most of my art comes out of what I do with camera. photo + graphy….. from the latin ….. to paint with light. And yes it is a synergy between mind and aethetics. And I have both even if they are somewhat unusually constitued. And if you can see that then you must have some understanding of how that works.

thanks muchly for your perceptive comments it really makes a difference.

This is absolutely fantastic!

Really great shot! The perspective and framing provided by the walls and the intriguing jumble of chairs make a very striking composition. I really like it – it is, (heh), UNREAL!! Oh, and a ‘real’ photographer is somebody who can take a photo that conveys meaning, something your entire portfolio speaks volumes for! (though the “unreal photography” thing looks like it is also going quite well, as evidenced by this shot!)

thanks berndt2 your comments are wonderful. As an artist my whole ethos is about meaning and the search for it. My personal research is to do with the aura that attaches to works of art. Nothing I do is particulary flashy but that is probably to do with my own understanding of how powerful art can be.
This photo above was a chance shot of someone (now deceased) sleeping in a theatre shot and funnily enough it was this random image that came to express the entire ethos of the time rather than any of the more formal shots I took of the production. Somehow it has its own power and complexity and ultimately that is what art needs to have…. meaning and complexity and the ability to allow the viewer into the image. And it has withstood the tyranny of time with any dilution in that power. So there must be something in it.

thanks again for your considered and intelligent response to this very old photo….. it was taken in 1982 or1983 I can’t remember now.

Very intriguing.

I fully agree with Berndt and people who like to argue about “real” and not so real, well especially in a vindictive manner are simply morons. I do believe there are things that make somebody a singer, or a dancer or a photographer or an artist and some of that is down to capabilities and some to talent and some to belief and some to etc. You are obviously both a photographer and an artist and probably a great dancer too. Love this image and hop eto see more and more unreal material appearing from your vaults.

Whats a chicken sexer dear?

I think too many people separate “art” and reality. In some Indigenous peoples language there is no word for “art”. It’s reality. By taking observations out of, and away from their direct manifestation we then separate the object and subject (viewer). This of course creates a new meaning. I don’t believe anyone can say exactly what anything “is” or “isn’t”...there is just pure perception of unfoldment. My wifes “subjective” approach of this image was the largesse of his balls! the rest of the image seemed to have disappeared altogether. What is reality?

By extension what is a “real” photographer? Anyone with a camera in their hand?
Subtlety of observation and philosophical delivery is a more mature extension of observation. Psycho negative bitch?? Well he seems to have transcended two syllables but not his medulla oblongata. There may be hope for him yet. lol.

isn’t it all about imagination? – great photo

Very interesting piece and statement…caught your comment on another bubble sight which has drawn me to visit yours! Your mind is a maze of amazement!! :+&

Funny that i clicked on this of all images in your folio. I myself started a thread in regards to real photography in the General discussion forum. I was asking a question, eager to find a answer to a trend that i noticed on RB. In doing so found an answer to the question. Anyhow, one thing a was carefully trying to avoid is coming across as elitist. This gentleman you refer to must, to put it frankly, have his head right us his ass. It is his loss if he can not open his mind to alternate forms of art. Even if it’s not your cup of tea, some acceptance of another persons point of view is a good thing, which he is obviously missing. Great image BTW. It’s very morbid, and i like it.

Juilee – this image (like many of your others) absolutely ROCKS! To be human is to be real, therefore, whatever you do must be real. Should somebody question this, then their reality must be quite different from yours. I believe that this world we live in is just so full of diversity, and it is that diversity that makes our art (and all other aspects of our lives) so very interesting. Sadly, we can’t all remain objective about the arts. No matter how you look at it though, we are all real, and that’s a reality we all must live with. Why not embrace it? Even if that person can’t find enjoyment from another artists work – they shouldn’t have the right to shoot it down. Let it be – and let the rest of us enjoy in peace.

you actually just noticed my reaction to my first confrontation and labeling as a ‘hoax.’ in parallel this is a killer rebuff to anyone who could criticise your artistic integrity. I think your sleeper has some demons to deal with…

If you are not a “real ” photographer then long live the unphotographer. Again an amazing collection

Must disagree with the equpment> Met a girl who did wonderful soft seascapes using a pin hole camera which she made herself. Rules are only any good so as you know which ones your breaking today and as PS i only take photos cause i can’t draw for nuts

Just like my friend did. I think anything that can spring from the imagination and take shape is magic. Actually I’ll go further. The world is magic and i wouldn’t want to miss it for quids.

Just like my friend did. I think anything that can spring from the imagination and take shape is magic. Actually I’ll go further. The world is magic and i wouldn’t want to miss it for quids.

breathe the freedom!

real is overrated
fuck em if they cant take a joke

hey, I write role playing games…real is something that gets checked at the door in my house

This ‘conversation’ was held with another member of our caring and sharing community, I take it?
Well, this is quite an old post so they have probably moved on, and are now pissing people off at facebook or zazzle. Or maybe (heh heh) karma caught up with them…

... real photographers are wangs anyway.

All I can say is that * real photographers* that would actually say anything like that to anyone are that kind of human animal whose ego matches their ability to make a complete fool of themselves from behind the anonimity of their insecurity… ie so obvious when they are not face to face with a person.
I agree this is indeed a conversation piece… it is harsh… subliminal.. thought provoking… and indeed…. suggestive of perhaps many of our own fantasies and fears.
I am sending you a bubble mail, re something I wrote on this subject… I am sure you will get a good laugh out of it.

Ian.

To dear Juilee.

... a true ( as in TRUTH – a condition existing independently out side of our closed and limited experiences or perceptions on what constitutes TRUTH ) tactile composition in aesthetic mechanics – it is this suggestiveness that empowers the viewer to seek in his / her mind more then what is byond the confines of this closed form comosition.

... Tour de force … !

To also say and to use the above statement as a primer … first of all for an artist to add labels to describe him / her self is in itself a closed formed boxed universe and that is where most of the SO CALLED ARTISTS live … in their own self made delusional confines – for them there is nothing beyond their borders of their universe.

As for you, Juilee … you are self aware of this effect – that you live outside this box and are not contaminated with the leaned responses of TRUE MEDIOCRITY.

Kirrill D’Kainn

so you`re not a negative psyhco bitch?

hehe…im joking of course…sorta…x

hehe…some peeps call me dave.

jusy havin` a bit of fun with you honey.

This is a great shot and a great idea as well! I had a guy send me hate email from Houston, TX all the way to my tattoo studio in Cincinnati, OH just because he was pissed that I deemed myself as a photographer/graphic designer. All of us at the shop sent him a nude singing telegram to his studio. We haven’t heard from him since but the guy who went to sing to him said he was fucking pissed! Hahaha…

Cheers,
Holtz

I like unreal photography better. ;) lol

Love how the sleeper removed the uncomfortable leather pants before curling up comfortably to sleep. :)
I love even more how the skull pattern can be seen on the tv’s in the background.

I’m loving all this early stuff. :)

I really, like this image and think that conversation would have been interesting. I really enjoy your work! Intense and beautiful.