John Jovic


Piss off! You can’t take pictures here!!!

Bullshit! And this is why.

I realised whilst reading other peoples comments that some people have been dissuaded from taking photos around interesting industrial locations. After all you must be a terrorist if you are taking a photo of a refinery, right!

Thought I’d share some of my experiences on the subject as I am very often in these kinds of situations. My day job is photographing cars for magazines. I often do this in industrial locations and sometimes near sensitive installations such as refineries, ports, airports, you name it. I’ve been accosted by security guards, customs agents, police, ignorant old farts, you name it. I’m sure someone has already reported me to ASIO. I’m not a lawyer so don’t try to use me as an excuse if you end up in jail, do your own legal research, consult a lawyer if you think you need to, but this is the information I have obtained from both State and Federal Police when I’ve called to question the legality of such photography.

Basically, there are no laws which prevent you photographing any property from a public place! Private properties such as shopping centres, subways, airports etc are a completely different story whilst within the property. The property owner sets the rules and you must abide or leave. But if you are outside the private property and on public land then shoot away. There can be local council By-Laws preventing photography, such as on some beaches, so it is worth asking the question if you think it might be relevant.

However, any Police officer can do just about anything they like to you should they have good reason to suspect you of Terrorist activity. They can confiscate your camera, detain and question you. My solution to this is to have some forms of identification or samples of my work, in a small compact Folio, which can be shown to quickly convince them of my real intentions and identity. I have a Canon CPS card with my photo on it and business cards, or you could join one of the professional photographic associations (if you are eligible) some of which now offer membership cards for this very reason.

There’s heaps of good information here on the legality of photography. It’s worth reading.
http://www.4020.net/words/photorights.php

Having said that, you can’t then just do anything you like with the images because of trade mark and copyright issues with buildings and company logos, but that’s a whole different issue anyway. Just being allowed to take the photo doesn’t mean you can do whatever you like with it.

My suggestion is that if you are going to be shooting in really questionable places AND you think you might have trouble with security, then try to contact the security people first and tell them who you are and what you are doing. DO NOT ASK FOR THEIR PERMISSION, you don’t need it! Just offer them the courtesy of letting them know who you are and what you are doing so that they don’t have to worry about you. Shell, for example, is a bit touchy about this kind of thing. I always call them and tell them of my intentions to shoot around their refineries. They appreciate it and we both play nicely. Same thing at airports such as Moorabin or Essendon. It works.

Know your rights and don’t let the ignorant push you around. Of course never let things get out of hand. I can honestly say that I would be the first to call the police should a security guard get heavy handed with me. Not that it’s ever happened, and hopefully it never will.

JJ

  • grev

    grev

    Of course there aren’t restrictions unless it’s on private property or something. If you’re out on a public place then you’re public domain and cannot tell people it’s ‘illegal’.

    Aside from that, there are people that overreacts and use more than verbal abuse to get their messages across.

    And then there is the stereotype of paedophiles; terrorists etc which is one of the saddest things.

    Then again, there is your own fear of pulling out your camera and actually taking the shot… sigh.

    I do hope that people soon realise that something and turn back to being friendly like it was when Henri Cartier Bresson were making his history in photography… People today are too selfish, self centred and shallow to be of any progress to society.

  • John Jovic

    John Jovic

    grev, the problem is that the government is advertising photography of industry as an act of terrorism. At the same time the internet has enabled people to use photography in almost any unsavoury way you can imagine. Combine the 2 and it’s almost understandable that the average person reacts the way that they do, as miss informed as they are!

    Imagine photographing a childrens hospital! Then you’d be perceived as a terrorist and a peadophile!!! The MOTHERLOAD of photographer hate crimes!

    I think we are at our lowest eb, surely we must swing back to the Henri Cartier Bresson days some time, hopefully, maybe…

    By the way “Street photography” in France is very difficult. Current French law basically says that an individual owns his own image and you need an individuals permission!

    JJ

  • Jienn Heibloem

    Jienn Heibloem

    I think youll find you do have to get permission to shoot public and private property. There are restrictions at I was told this by my photography tutor who said that you can restrict a photographer from taking photograps of a domestic residence, so this transfers to public refinery etc. painful hey….

  • John Jovic

    John Jovic

    Jienn, I think you’ve been missinformed! If possible, please elaborate. You can take the photo, you can’t do whatever you like with it.

  • John Jovic

    John Jovic

    I was shooting a car near the airport today and was accosted by police twice and once by one of the security guards! To be fair the security guard only wanted to check out the car I was shooting!

    JJ

  • Lost Lost

    Lost Lost

    I got told to ‘move on’ when shooting planes from a hill on foreshore drive in sydney not long ago. They made me feel like i was doing something wrong, and now when i go out i keep my distance and shoot at 200mm+. I wish it wasn’t like this, but the worlds gone all screwy in the last number of years!

  • John Jovic

    John Jovic

    Hi Pehpsi, don’t let them make you feel guilty, like you are doing anything wrong. As long as you are on public land you are in the right.

    JJ

  • LostBoy1

    LostBoy1

    Hey John that mad xc hardtop you got a pic of…did you take the pic for Xtreme magazine cover??

  • John Jovic

    John Jovic

    LostBoy1, yeah Xtreme Fords cover.

  • LostBoy1

    LostBoy1

    Love your work!!!

  • kossimarsalsa

    kossimarsalsa

    how many times i’ve heard this story, it’s amazing how people are so misguided in this area (authorities and photographers). it’s good to know this stuff.

    xx
    s-a

  • Stuart Baxter

    Stuart Baxter 17 days ago

    Thanks for sharing John…here in the States same issues and it is very annoying when these rent a cops get aggressive, and it is happening more and more. I was shooting in Chicago recently at a well known landmark/ tourist attraction and a building security guard came out walked at least 100 yards to me and told me that my shot could not include his building which was off frame and well to to my left!! He instructed me that I needed to turn around and shoot my target from opposite angle so as not to include his building in my shot! As you can guess, I blew him off , and shot what I wanted…

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