It’s been an eventful week. Let’s start with something good.
I recently passed 100 Tshirt designs. Sure, some of them are very similar – the I Love Dinosaurs designs all have duplicate versions in white and black – but I’ve had been quite a productive month or so. Sadly the ideas are still piling up, and I have been neglecting things like sleeping and eating…
Also good, I’m still here, as are all of you – the Rapture did not happen, and I managed to sell a few Rapture Tshirts which was nice. Of course even if it did happen, I’d still be here because I’m a dirty heathen, but I haven’t spotted any molten lava yet. (The volcano in Iceland doesn’t count.) So hurrah for the Notthepocalypse! Apparently we get another one in October, and there’s always the Mayan prediction nonsense for 2012 = me selling more Tshirts. Yay.
I’m still here in another sense – on Redbubble – in spite of the Hipsterhitler furore. As my first journal mentions, I have not been keen on wading into this debate, especially seeing some of the catfights that have broken out. But there has been so much moralising anger and one-sided banner waving that I have felt I should speak out, or at least speak up, in a few instances.
HH posted an extract of a self-written interview explaining what they do and what Hipster Hitler is all about. I won’t say I was swayed overly by it because it was written long ago as a generic article unrelated to RB, and I didn’t want to ban them in the first place. But it was articulate, calm and well-written, which is a lot more than can be said for the frothing hordes trying to have them banned. (I don’t mean to dismiss everyone who has politely raised reasonable concerns over their work – it’s just the people who want them banned who seem to be doing the frothing.) My main comment is there around the 100 mark – best way to find it is probably searching for my username. A lot of people had already said what I wanted to say, but I made a few points and comparisons which I felt hadn’t been raised.
What was reassuring was the number of comments on this journal, and journals and forum comments in general recently, made by reasonable people speaking out in favour of sanity. It has sometimes felt like the only people talking are those who’ve been blinded into loudness by the offence they’ve taken, and there is still a lot of posturing and dramatic statements like “I’m not supporting an actively anti-semitic organisation like Redbubble”. (The mind boggles.) But now there is thankfully some traction behind people who a) don’t think Hipsterhitler should be banned, regardless of their opinion on the designs, and even better b) think everyone should just chill the hell out.
One user has posted a journal calling for a list of those staying, and they have listed the awesome amazing reasons for staying on Redbubble far better than I could or have time for here. I hope they don’t mind me linking it. (Actually it seems they posted this a while ago, but I only found it recently.) This is meant to be a balance against the hysterical proclaimers who have banded together and made lists of people who have left the site in protest. I am a little wary – something I also object to about those grandiose posts is the brash, moral-crusade approach to the issue, which is not to be admired. But if I can add my name to a show of hands, and not a show of strength, then please count this journal.
On the subject of moral panics, another one appears to have broken out: children’s clothing and NSFW images. Well, actually the point being made is about a default setting – but you wouldn’t know if you read some of the feverish journals that are going round. It doesn’t seem to be connected to HH, but the bile, moral outrage and lack of clarity is almost identical.
I’ll try and explain:
- When you upload a clothing design to RB, there are options for Tshirts, Stickers and Childrens clothing, and these come automatically ticked. So unless you make a deliberate choice, your design will automatically be available on childrens clothing, even if it is sexual/NSFW/etc.
Now, to me that does indeed warrant looking at. Maybe they should have the childrens clothing option unchecked, so you have to deliberately choose to make it available, or maybe they should link up the NSFW checkbox so it’s impossible to check both. Maybe there are other options to explore too.
What it doesn’t warrant is more hysterical shouts of “vile” and “sick” etc. etc. (yawn), which illustrate how it is people’s offence that these designs exist, and not the issue itself, which drives so much of the anger.
Incidentally, some people may be interested to know Redbubble have taken some action on this issue. Yesterday I received an email from Redbubble saying that some of my work had been reported as not being suitable for kids, and that I should review it and uncheck designs which were not suitable. I approve of this email.
Someone had already pointed out that I have a design which is perhaps not suitable for children’s clothing. I assume it was the Honey Badger one anyway – I went through my whole Tshirt collection and struggled to find anything obviously, undoubtedly not for kids. (None of my work is checked as NSFW, so I did have to think.)
My view? Well, firstly I am not forcing anyone to buy them, and I am not forcing anyone to, in turn, force a child to wear a top that says “Honey Badger Don’t Give A Sh-”. People can be responsible for their own actions and adults can exercise their own discretion when looking for kids clothing, especially on swearing which I think is a parental matter. Furthermore there are examples where someone may wish to buy the design on childrens clothing when it is not actually for children. Several people who’ve bought the Honey Badger Tshirt have done so because they know a sports team named after this wonderful animal, and I could easily imagine a teddy bear as a mascot – owned by an adult – wearing this design to cover their furry nakedness. Also, just because these designs are available does not mean Redbubble is promoting them, which is a subtle but important difference.
Anyway. What struck me mostly about this email was the calm, sensible, reasonable and polite tone it had – one which I have come to expect from Redbubble. I have not been forced to remove these designs as childrens clothing – I have been asked nicely, and had the matter explained to me carefully but firmly. I think a lot of people waving pitchforks and torches could learn something from this.
I have emailed back highlighting all of my designs that could possibly be considered inappropriate, outlining why I haven’t unchecked the childrens option on these designs yet, and saying that if RB themselves felt any were unsuitable I would happily remove the kids clothing option. And “yet” is an important word, because I believe this is a choice artists should be able to make themselves, and now this issue has been brought to light I may decide to uncheck that box on some designs all by myself. Best of all there is always the report button without which a site like this would not work, which given this email appears to be working fine.
Anyway.
I think that wraps it up for this journal. I’ve now written a lot about this kind of stuff and I hope not to (have to) write much more. I had intended to make this a mixed journal combining lots of things, good and not-so-good, but I thought it best to split it up and save the good stuff for another one. So, until next time, you guys stay classy and keep it real, or whatever it is the cool kids say.
Jez
chasingsooz
Firstly congratulations on still being here and surviving the rapture :-) Congrats also on passing the 100 tee mark – that is a great achievement. Also congrats on your first “report” and also your own calm response. I too think that the boxes being automatically ticked at upload has tripped up some artists and there currently is a suggestion in the feedback forum to show support for fixing it. You may want to take a look. Great journal :-)
jezkemp:
Thanks very much sooz, supportive comments are always appreciated, especially when it’s first one!
Will take a look at that link :)
Matt Mawson
Enjoyable read, Jez, thanks. Good to see some opinions which I share articulated so well.
jezkemp:
Cheers Matt, thanks for being supportive and generally cool.
Bryan Freeman
Great read Jez, keep the tees coming and also The journals.
jezkemp:
Thanks Bryan, Tees are unlikely to stop, more positive journals on the way :)
RamonFernandez
Jez, congrats on the biggies: rapture survival and T-shirt sales. Thanks for being a voice of reason and sanity in all the mishmash over the past few weeks. I enjoy your work and reading your educated, well thought out commentaries. Now off to challenge other raptures.
jezkemp:
Thanks Ramon, you are very kind sir. Don’t let the raptors bite.
Mel Brackstone...
Jez, thought I’d mention that the default setting forum thread has had a response just this evening. You’ll probably find things will change with default settings soon. I should also point out that the HH interview is not “self-written” but in fact a published interview on this site
I actually linked to it on my journal about fair play however very few people appear to have bothered clicking….oh well.
Congrats on the sales, and well done on the journals.
jezkemp:
Thanks Mel, looks like a good and appropriate decision on the children’s clothing.
Thanks for the heads up on the interview, I just assumed it was self-written because it reads that way.
Good journal, first time I’ve seen it – well written and lots of good points. The only thing I’ve said about my personal opinion on the HH designs themselves is that I found them a bit distasteful, but having seen or been shown quite a few now, they are actually quite funny. I think most internet cartoons take a while to get the hang of, and this is obviously no exception!
stephaniemwood
I still say, To Each Their Own. If we spent more time taking responsibility for Our actions rather than constantly trying to suss out the idiocies created by others … we’d be a happier race.
jezkemp:
Thanks Steph (is Steph okay?), good words. I often feel torn between not getting involved (the mature choice) and feeling the urge to get stuck in and counter every single point I disagree with. There’s times where both is right I think, and times where both can help the situation, although they don’t necessarily match up.
stephaniemwood
Steph is okay. :)
I stay out of it unless it will teach my son something that will benefit him. Or until I get entirely fed up with the way people are treating one another.
Lynnette Shelley
Thanks for posting your words of reason here! And congrats on surviving the rapture. :)
jezkemp:
Thanks very much Lynnette :)
Matt Mawson
This article in Crikey is the first time I’ve seen Martin Hosking comment on the HH issue. His quotes seem very calm and sensible. For example … “We looked at this work six months ago with Jewish groups and we concluded it was a parody. I don’t know where you end up when you start taking down art because someone doesn’t like it.”
jezkemp:
I think his comments in that article are on the button. They won’t do anything to mollify the crusaders out there though, and it’s sad the Crikey article is just regurgitating the tabloid spiel of the Firmspy article – ABL haven’t even cited HH as the reason for leaving RB. + Lo and behold, the more people hear, the more crazy responses – “You cannot get much more pro-Hitler than “Back to the Fuhrer””. I guess at least there’s some reasonable ones there too.
Thanks for the link :)
Matt Mawson
I’ve seen a few anti-RB posts link to the FirmSpy article. It’s interesting that ABL have asked FirmSpy to remove the article.