JenniferB

I don’t even know what this is all about… but I’d like to…

Unfortunately I am not sure what Helen did to have this happen. I have mentioned this before, and been ignored but people should be able to block other people here. The all or nothing banning system, leads to errors on either side of the crossed line. Websites are not Democracies, nails that stand up get hammered down in them.

I think Mark is spot. I have argued before for a block facility… a neat solution who don’t like your work and for people’s comments you don’t like… and cuts down admin work for mods.

well said jen. time to move on in the spirit of a true community.

By the true spirit of a community, I mean an INCLUSIVE group, prepared to learn by mistakes on all sides, pretty much as you suggest…with everyone concerned swallowing a litttle pride, and stepping forward together on new ground with a greater understanding.

Well said that woman. I even had a minor barney with Nawroski t’other day (which I won)
Censorship, I think has no place here, this is art. I think something should have to have a horde of complaints before it can be removed. I see this where I work, one complainer is more powerful than twenty well-meaning corner-cutting types (like me)
You can achieve anything out there with complaining.
We could all fuck off to DeviantArt eventually which is bad cos I hate the interface over there and I love this one. If I have to I will but I’ll be one of the last off my beloved RB

well said jen i personally dinny go on the forums cos i dinny like arguin wi folk i canny see!..i canny be bothered arguin come tae think o it ..but there is enough shit out there an i come on here tae lighten ma life up a bit..ye huv tae fight from the inside if ye want change. internet discussion is a funny beast nae body language tae see nae tone o voice tae hear folk need taecalm doon as clinton said theres naebody deed …yet!

I’ve made an EDIT in the journal addressed to RB…

Would you agree, or should I write something else…......?

Way too much to read and nothing is actually telling me what happened EXACTLY! I’d like to know so I can form an opinion, but… meh! Doesn’t look like I’m going to. Something to do with a story about someone’s mother and someone being sworn at… that’s all I got.

I must live on the RB Moon….lol…this seems alomos comical…ha the RB in charge made any comments?

And apparently based on my spelling I am drunk…LOL!

As always you can do anything you want to me…LOL.
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Jen do you know anything about this?

I believe it is being sorted as we speak…...

Yep you are right there…..

I almost had my bags packed.

I think there should be allowances(and acceptance) made for human error, on any and all sides, co-and always room for compromise. I have heard this issue spoken of as black and white, and most of us are all too aware that things are rarely black and white. The grey area(which incidentally is the colour of brains…)is a very important zone.
Apologies and acceptance of mistakes can be made
Compromises can reached.
Solutions that all parties are comfortable and to varying degrees happy with can be found.
Or something to that effect..
love you to pieces woman.(in a completely redbubble family internetty kind of a way) :-P.xo

Oh, I thought I had prattled!I deleted a lot.lol.And you worded it just exactly as it needed to be.Here’s hoping :-/

A post that makes a lot of sense.

Without any sort of response to this from RB, there is a sense of powerlessness and of hopelessness, not to mention ever growing mistrust…it is clear from what happened to Helen, that under the current guidelines, this could happen to any one of us. I fully understand the need for RB to be given some space on solving the broader issues here, and to find a solution that best fits for all…I can’t help thinking it is the continued silence on their behalf that keeps feeding this, but how can you work on something as complex as it is when you are fielding so much other stuff….it sure is a catch 22.

I’ve learnt a lot in my Life about taking things from the present and moving forward… As I’m sure many of us have. ;-)

I agree, although I also tend to think, for most people, the lessons are harder to see when they’re in the thick of things, and only become clearer once the smoke settles.
Anyone got a big wind machine??

Hmm. I’m not really sure who’s side I’m on with this one. The story was a bit… I don’t know, dark. Yet I’m of the opinion that if you speak like that to someone, the way the guy on the boat did to the woman, you’re a moron. You shouldn’t get away with speaking to people like that. Not saying he deserved to be shot, but he certainly deserved something. But yeah, the story obviously upset Miron, and Helen was obviously in a bad mood that day or something. I don’t know.
Maybe there was more involved which only they know about. Miron did write what I read, so who’s to say it’s %100 true. Not calling him a liar, but people do tend to bend the truth to suit themselves.
Like I said, I’m not sure who’s side I’m on and I don’t know the full story. I’m sure few people do.

We have got the most special, wonderful art-based community in the world here in bubble land. I have had down times here on the bubble ….. felt a little unloved, a little hurt, a lot frustrated, down right angry. I have threatened to leave, had my gorgeous friends race to kiss me better, had my ego spruced up and fell straight back in love with this whole place in seconds flat. Yes, we don’t get to SEE many of the faces of our wonderful internet friends, but my God, they rush to our aid at the first sign of a tear in our eyes. It would be just such a crying shame if we fight so bad that we are all sent to our rooms and the light, that is the bubble, goes out forever. You are an intelligent, beautiful soul Jen, and I for one have learnt something from your wise words. We do need to see how this place is, in reality, very fragile and we have to love, care and respect it. You are a treasure, my dear….........and everyone here knows it. xxL

Couldn’t agree more Jen, and it’s bloody good to have someone with a level head like yourself in all this, there are threads saying boycott RB and leave RB etc etc. but this would only seem to hurt the artists themselves (myself included) that really love this community. Ok so 2 people reacted badly (as well do on a daily basis if we are truthful), and RB made a bad judgement call, (shock horor a human made a mistake!), lets just move on and try and fix this without destroying the community we love

Yes, I believed the red dot to mean staff…....but obviously not always so, these days. :)

LOL yup all that effort Jen, maybe you should start a thread on the misuse of the red dot :). I really did want to say thanks for your posts, they are the light at the end of the tunnel, there have been so many angry and vindictive posts about this situation, which is understandable, but it is beginning to resemble a car crash, it’s horrible and disturbing but you can’t look away. Thanks again Jen and keep up the good fight
Jus

i got kicked off…can’t remember why now. something to do with a picture of a kangaroo shooting his load in a consenting man. i thought it was funny. they obviously didn’t

that and some others they asked me to remove but i was away from the computer attending to my life at the time. bubble police are a proper jobs worth aren’t they? bunch of nonses

oh yeah, lostboy…he’s around here somewhere. he’s forever sneaking in and out lurking about in the dark shadows…haven’t heard from him though… heather needs to get back here too. lizzy’s a bit fucking lame on here too, she hates the net so i guess that’s fair do’s! she’s forever telling me to put the laptop down and do something constructive…..
i think with all this recession stuff the bubble police feel they need to be the jobs worth you know? jobs are scarce at the moment and most off us have waaaaay too much time on our hands to do fun stuff like chat shit, make things and take random photos to upload and eat well and be comfortable and smoke and drink while they don’t get to do these things cos they HAVE SERIOUS JOB TO DO AND TO DO IT WELL, CATCH THE VILLAINS BECAUSE DON’T WANT IMPORTANT CUSTOMERS READING WHAT THE ARTIST IS ALL ABOUT AND WHO THEY ARE. MAKE MONEY MAKE MONEY AND yeah…whatever. mmmm…gonna make chicken breast fillets stuffed with philadelphia cream cheese and chive wrapped in bacon with brocoli, steamed new potatoes, with a creamy pepper sauce for me and my mate’s nan for lunch tomorrow and sit on bubble and wind them bubble police up.

but i enjoy it :/

hahaha!!! yeah crafty…i don’t have anything up for sale this time so maybe i’m not included in the equation? after all, this site is all about making money out of us artists as is any other money making site hence why they haven’t caught up with me…yet. there’s a few back stabbers around though, i think i got stitched up last time. i do miss my original account though…
think i’ve secured an apprentice position at a tattooist in marlow…start next month on reception whoop!!

“In my view, closing accounts, removing sales or art and boycotting the bubble wont work, great in sentiment, but not so constructive in bringing about positive change or preventing the collapse of this community and website.”

I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF: I AM NOT TRYING TO CHANGE ANYTHING. IT WOULD BE NICE IF THEY DID BUT I AM NOT COMFORTABLE PUTTING ART HERE ANYMORE. THERE FOR I REMOVED IT. PERIOD.

OK so when your account goes I will do nothing !!! Can I complain about all your comments and responses here ..........

i don`t think i`ve ever read or commented on either of the peoples work so i`m sort of neutral really but it does seem that helen has been harshly treated,in most work places there is a code of conduct and a warning system 1st then 2nd warning, and then dismissal so it gives the person a chance to look at their behaviour and modify it,
maybe red bubble should try and get both people to shake hands in cyber space and agree to disagree and both except they have different points of view and move on in the spirit of harmony and good relations
and maybe put helen on a 1st warning?
because after all it is cyber space its not like feuding with your next door nieghbour when you are going to have to see each other every day
so i do think helen has been harshly treated but red bubble could keep their integrity by reinstating helen and putting on a 1st warning
because being an artist you have got to be able to take criticism,both positive and negative.

red bubble rocks and i wish there t shirts where cheaper :))

Good on ya Jennifer ain’t that the flamin’ truth… I’m all for seeking a diplomatic resolution :)

I must add that a lot of bubblers who seem to have been quiet observers have come out of the woodwork and let it be known that they care, I’ve seen a remarkable a wave of support for Helen from people who I have never even been aware of and I think it shows that we are talking about someone who makes many of us feel a little more comfortable just knowing she’s been doing her thing.

I also acknowledge and applaud the fact that Peter has allowed so much dissent in forums and journals, only stopping things when they get out of hand. The indication that a rethink of rules is underway and the seeking of input from the members is certainly a positive step. I hope we achieve an outcome that we all think is fair and reasonable :)

I have Bmailed him and he has openly indicated a willingness to listen. I urge people to only respond with useful and relevant input. I fear that vindictive, unhelpful or inappropriate messages will only cloud things and reduce the chance of a sensible outcome.

I couldn’t agree more…..
You, Clinton, Jim…... if only people of your calibre held the balance of power in our governments…...
:-)

LMAO…...
(that sounds like a great name for a group, or a radical new media outlet…..lol…... I am trying to think what angle I have to offer to join you guys!!! .......... but probably way too old for the production of offspring he he he, I can just babysit them….......)