funkyfacestudio

It’s also up to 10 pages now. Have you let the RB powers know yet??

No…I haven’t, I wanted to see what others think.

Lisa, it’s worthy of reporting it to RB powers to see what they think. It can’t do any harm to seek clarification from them on this issue.

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/search?displayurl=redbubble.com&idx=thing&page=1

I’m off to work in a few…if no one else does I’ll do it when I get back…I have trouble emailing so I might bubble someone at RB.

Try this, Lisa.

earswideopen@redbubble.com

Just direct them to this journal entry.

They’re making collages using our images… what the hell is that site? :S

Thanks to bring this to our attention Lisa. You should email RB about this!

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/set?id=257709
http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/set?id=220689

Holy crap.. what the hell are they doing with my image? LOL

I bubbled peter, gotta go…..this stinks !

nasty

this is plainly copyright theft, without a shadow of a doubt. RB Admin needs to be told about this.

Funkyface – will you let them know?

Not cool at all.

Thanks for reporting this Lisa !
I’ve checked the site, and they indeed think that everything published on the web is their property, even without crediting the owner/creator/copyright.
They are talking about trying to remove backgrounds as good as possible, of course by this they mean removing watermarks & signatures as well…
One thing that might be make you and others feel less anxious… with the previews provided at redbubble/deviantart/image-belle/... it is impossible to use them for high-quality prints… they must boost it up to unreal sizes, with bad quality as a result…
So anyone who buys something there is busted anyways… with bad quality for a lot of money…
How to do something about this… there’s hundreds of sites and individuals harvesting from the popular art/images sites, there’s always been… and they are hardly to track… i couldn’t find any address, telephone, names…
But I could track who registered their domainname (see end of comment)...

GOOD ADVICE to everyone publishing work online :
NEVER publish high-resolution images of your work in public galleries, not even with watermarks and/or signatures ! Even with right-click disabled (see image-belle.com) it is always possible do download them (e.g. with print-screen) ! Only use private, password-protected galleries to share them with customers/friends/... (see image-belle.com again).
In other words… stick to max. 600/700px largest side, these previews are not useable for commercial (print) purposes, without them boosting and ruining the image.

Hope this helps some people around here and elsewhere… feel free to contact me for more info…

Thanks again Lisa for noticing and reporting, I really hope together we can make this stop one day… not optimistic though we will…

Greetzz,
Wim

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FEEL FREE TO ANNOY THEM AS THEY ANNOY US BY STEALING OUR WORK !!!!!

I can’t believe this shit!

They are taking the **.

It’s jumped from 10 to 12 pages in the last half hour!!

Can th BBB be contacted…concerning a website ?

This will be stopped once the powers at be are informed, I am sure. Has anyone noticed any images from other sites there?

Faizan does it prevent this site from accessing your image if you select to HIDE it within your RB edit options? Not the best solution i realise, just curious…?

I am sooooooo MAD… this is not right…
I say we all get together on this… I want that place shut… total disrespect…
Now, I feel like retreiving all of my works from here… (not becasue of Redbubble, of course, ut because this is soooo wrong.)
Thanks Lisa for the heads up…
greatly appreciated…
I am favoritising this here so as many people as possible can see it…

I will not favoritise other things for now so it stays on top of my favorites…

I’m also going to post a journal linking to this one so more people get to see this.

I’m usually mellow, but this is NOT ON

Mundy

It appears no one is safe – They’ve just taken from everyone from Vogue to Flickr

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/set?id=249667

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/search?query=redbubble&displayurl=redbubble.com

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/set?id=209393

I belive these are all the images from our site in question

now i begin to wonder,i had a look,its not rite….....im going to do more searching for my own curiosity

This pisses me off…...and they should clearly be stopped…...

Feel free to drop them a line

its a joke. rubbish….can anything be done

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/set?id=210937

thanks stuart! I did,....and it really wasnt pretty! ohhh that irks me so very badly…....!!!!!!!!!!

Oh Funky… I work for many years in the music industry and piracy is just the same… there’s no legal protection really.. what’s the thing, having to register legally (hence, pay for) the work that you create… and still it wont stop anyone from stealing. This stuff makes me sad.. I’m gonna go check that site you mention and Im gonna make some questions to people I know that are involved in copyrights. if I find something worthy I will let everyone know…

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/search?displayurl=redbubble.com&page=1&query=redbubble

OK i was a paparrazi for a while and part of my training was learning the law ,this is how it stands, if the image was taken on your equipment by you ,you own the image ,this is black and white . there is no grey area, your image can only be used with your concent. THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW ,THREATEN THEM WITH A LAWSUIT.

Lisa, thank you for bringing this to all of our attention…. I can’t believe them guys doing this… hopefully they don’t go too far..

eg Every image on redbubble is owned by the artist not Redbubble we give redbubble the consent to use and sell them.

I have directed everyone here… I sent a message to all of my groups and in my journal… so as many people as possible can see that…

We MUST take action asap…

I feel sick…

INFACT I WILL THREATEN THEM WITH A LAWSUIT !

thanks for the tip. that is a nasty way to get what you want done. did you report this to redbubble?

CHECK THIS OUT
http://www.wipo.int/about-ip/en/

I have also directed people here

THIS HAS TO BE REPORTED TO RB PATER AND JAMES IMMEDIATELY

this is how it stands, if the image was taken on your equipment by you ,you own the image ,this is black and white . there is no grey area, your image can only be used with your concent. THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW ,THREATEN THEM WITH A LAWSUIT.

man thats not right i have seen all the photos before.
redbubble needs to take away the right click button off so no one can copy the photos
you can easyly do the with you mouse right click. hey they have a feedback on there site.

I don’t know if this is possible, but on my personal website, my webdesigner put a clear image on top of all my work, so if someone tries to copy it, all they get is a blank jpg.
RB wants us to upload large files so they can be printed on large canvases, but can’t the pics online be lower res thumbnails? or watermarked?
LL

Peter , I even found one of Kelly’s there… see this

It’s currently 1:29am Melbourne time, so Peter and James may not be aware.

WHY DOESNT EVERY PERSON ON THIS PAGE TREATEN TO SUE THEM ,ALL OF US INDIVIDUALLY ,THAT WILL PANICK THEM I GARUNTEE, IMAGINE GETTING 30 TREATENED LAWSUITS IN ONE DAY !

Darren, there has to be someone watching the site in the office?

HOLY shit gordon Thieving bastards

Im sending an emrgency email to RB

Oh, how fun, this image of mine is on there and has been used in a derivative work

Someone’s ignoring my licence.

Melbourne office is closed. I tried ringing.

Recorded message suggested an email to;

insafehands@redbubble.com

http://www.redbubble.com/contact

I HAVE EMAILED RB AS URGENT ATTENTION

Right. This is now on the hot list. More people can find out about this

UK OFFICE ISNT…

I have looked and they seem to acknowledge the person they took it from , but they didnt ask so this is the main problem….

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/search?displayurl=redbubble.com&idx=thing&query=redbubble&sort=-updatedon

just emailed

insafehands@redbubble.com

The fact they crop the copyright tag off worries me. They know they shouldn’t be doing it

uk office is a direct number to Aus… emailed to insafehands too

Polyvore Terms of Service

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/tos

i have just sent them this message YOU ARE BREAKING ALL COPYRIGHT LAWS BY SHOWING ARTISTS WORK WITHOUT THERE CONCENT,I SUGGEST YOU REMOVE THEM BEFORE YOU ARE FACED WITH 30 OR MORE LAWSUITS

Thats a excellent Ideal, I have always beleive there is more power in a group, than in just one person, Group Lawsuite? I stand for whats right! Thanks for telling us, about what you found! What is RedBubble doing about this? I do hope they will move to help protect the artist, so wee can continue to share our work, without the fear of others stealing our art!!

we can use their own feedback form to flame them?

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/feedback

Hmmm, point 6 seems to look well enforced Darren

Mugsy is gonna go off the wall i just seen his chains in there

they cannot ask red bubbles permission to use the pics they have to ask the artists directly

Which reads:

Download any file that you know or reasonably should know cannot be legally obtained in such manner;

My work from Red Bubble it’s there, they have to be stopped!

Keep spreading the word and they’re going to have 15,000 people on their backs

For what it’s worth, I’ve signed up (it’s free) and have used the account to send a message to this person and informed them that they need to remove the work that is a derivative of my work.

Took just seconds to do.

Good idea Dave

This is Terrible.. and indeed Peter, a group lawsuit would worry the crap out of them and if thats what it took, from all who have had work stolen, then why not? All work should definately be given the best possible protection and copyrights observed!

EVEN Antoines is there

Thanks Lisa for pointing this out

I apologise for the massive hit to your activity box.

I gave them my email address so i will let you all know the response, come on guys stop talking and hit them back with there own feedback form .

I can’t believe what I’m seeing on that site. There seems to be many images ‘borrowed’ from numerous sites.

As I saw earlier Darren, no one seems to be safe – I don’t know how long it’s been running and how they’ve got away with it for so long

i have a legal advisor for my company and i just ran this by him and he says they are definatly in breach of copyright

This is the feedback I sent them

Your members/site is holding Illegally obtained Images according to your own TOS, you must REMOVE ALL REDBUBBLE IMAGES FORTHWITH.

good to hear that Pete!!

if this doesnt get resolved i will get him to contact them !

From their TOS:
”. . . you hereby grant us, our affiliates, and our partners a worldwide, irrevocable, royalty-free, nonexclusive, sublicensable license to use, reproduce, create derivative works of, distribute, publicly perform, publicly display, transfer, transmit, distribute, and publish the sets you have created using the Website”

So are they are trying to say they have license to use anything that is created with our work?! They need to be stopped.

re: Stuart.. can a Forum not be set up for this to avoid massive activity on Lisas page?

Peter, I gotta shoot now, text me any news?

I sent them also one!we should all drop the a line!this is way out of line!

YES IT CAN

I found 2 of my images there..the mirror and the old things!on page 12

Paul

It may, but as this is now on the hot list, I guess that gives it more exposure

Antoine there is also the one of the garden and the pool in there

The more the merrier.

Feel free to drop them a friendly hello here

ALL I WOULD SAY IS THAT LISA , RENAMES IT STOLEN IMAGES FROM RB

Gordon can you provide me the link??

Quite a few of my images there as well. :(

One of mine as well

This is mickey mouse its means jack shit and they must know it…...... you hereby grant us, our affiliates, and our partners a worldwide, irrevocable, royalty-free, nonexclusive, sublicensable license to use, reproduce, create derivative works of, distribute, publicly perform, publicly display, transfer, transmit, distribute, and publish the sets you have created using the Website

I just copied and pasted the same message Gordon wrote and emailed them.. it took 30 seconds.. I think everyone should do the same…

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This is how they do it!

Gotta go guys – it’s very late here in Melbourne. Shutterstock, Flickr, istock, etc have images there, too.

Lisa, thanks for alerting us to this. A sad thing for us, but just a glitch. I’m sure the RB team will act on this quick smart.

none of mine are on their i dont think… but i used their feedback form as well… is was definately to the point.. i think all of rb needs to contact them

It looks like the user name of the person who as most of the images is “inksquirt”.
Not sure if this is traceable.

David.

Thanks for this…... These A…holes have about 7 of my images up there (Jeez…they must be desperate!)

Gotta go myself now. Keep hounding them from me

just used their feedback form to send this:

I am part of the RedBubble community of artists and photographers and you are using images from this community without the permission of the copyright owners i.e. US!. In this you are breaking not only the law, but your own TOS (quote) “Download any file that you know or reasonably should know cannot be legally obtained in such manner”.

Please remove all images and all references to Red Bubble, and immediately post an apology.

THIS IS BULLSHIT TOO….......Everything here has been created by other people using the editor.

Totally bang out of order!!! thanks for highlighting this Lisa. Have sent a feedback email to them objecting.

I agree!
http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/set?id=258232
Look what was done with my picture… and yours!

“Paul Ruiz
Faizan does it prevent this site from accessing your image if you select to HIDE it within your RB edit options? Not the best solution i realise, just curious…?“

Well, yes but that’s not really a solution. That’s like running away from the problem instead of solving it. Photogenique’s email might actually have some effect on it and if it doesn’t, RB definitely has the power to bring them down.

Imagine if we sue them…. hahaha..

Here’s one of mine: http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/set?id=200424
That would be our classic camaro, but i didn’t have people in the shot.

But I did find several others they made too.

check this out… when u go to inksquirts polyvore pg..there is another website…might be worth a look seeing of work is there to
http://www.squidoo.com/monarcopia

Well, having created my account and having sent a private message on that site to the person who used one of my images in one of their works, I got the following reply:

“Thank you for the message-this is actually all of my own photographs used from my personal collection-images that I have taken and have a hard copy of. I do not intend on infringing copyright regulations. Best regards.”

So that’ll be a big fat lie then.

Unbelievable…wonder how long this has been going on! They’re even using work from istockphotograph!

they can print out a freakin hardcopy

RB needs to protect us better. On other sites it is impossible to right click for our protection. This should be the case here…. Something needs to be done.!Small images can be used in many places. I wonder who the thief is…. and how many.

I noticed one of my images they made with other images…. someone had commented on it 15 days ago…. so at least 15 days.

dave tell them your see them in court and tell him to bring his hard copys that will shake em

if they print out a hard copy its not going to be the same as the original file which you have dave

All members need a Bubblemail about this, just in case they miss the posting. Hate to do it, but all images now going private until it is resolved.

“Red Rose on Blue Fabric Background” Wall Art by mjsphotos…

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couldnt get the pic to shows who origianlly saved it and who has used it

*@Maria Dryfhout: * Disabling “right click” wouldn’t solve this problem.

The user name “inksquirt” led me to this site….

http://www.squidoo.com/monarcopia

David.

unbelievable Dave!!!

ask him some questions like what camera was the pic taken on and at what settings,ask him if he knows the original file size.

so that shows they have taken from RB and been altering

They also have images from istock, jupiter images, facebook, flickr, feature pics, 123RF, stockxpert and other stock sites. Any of you using any other sites might want to double check their listing.

How do they get away from lifting images from places like gap and sears without getting sued?

Ahh, but, after I reply to inksquirt, pointing out that they’re mistaken and that I really do have the original image, and that I know where it was taken, etc… I get this:

“Dear Mr. Pearson,

I apologize, I was referring to another set of mine (this one is not composed solely of my own images, unlike several other of my sets). Everyone on this site, however, uses external images to create beautiful sets (not art), which are shared within the Polyvore community. Personally, I do not use these sets for commercial purposes and do not really know what you mean by referring to it as derivative-if you could explain further as how everyone’s sets on Polyvore could be constituted as derivative if not used commercially. Best regards.”

This is not cool at all!

no its not. this is crazy

TELL HIM DAVE THAT THE FACT HE HAS PUBLISHED YOUR PICS WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT IS IN BREACH OF COPYRIGHT LAWS AND TO REMOVE THEM

Well, the image that was in breach of how I licence my images has now been removed

One down, a few hundred to go.

I suggest that, aside from everything else, people create themselves throw-away accounts over there and file abuse reports on images that shouldn’t be there. Dropping firm but polite messages (and I mean that, being abusive won’t help anyone) to those who are misusing the images might also be a good idea.

whether or not he intends to use them commercialy or not makes no difference

Right click is never a solution… even with it being disabled, you can click on an image and drag it to your address bar and you can save it from there!

@PeterBooth: Actually, that’s not quite true. The image in question is available under the Creative Commons’ by-bc-nd licence so non-commercial, non-derivative reproduction is permitted. What isn’t permitted is the creation of a derivative work. As you’ll see above, that person has now removed the work as per my wishes.

See here for more information on how I generally do things.

That should, of course, have been “by-nc-nd”, not “by-bc-nd”.

Hi .. I have registered an account with polyvore and contacted the user directly requesting the image he made is removed. I have also reminded him of the terms of service specifically clause 6. It may be a good idea if a few of us took this action.

they are stealing from many sites I see !!!

I’ve just done the same as Deborah – I await a reply.

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“Ethereal Garden” Wall Art by Paul Vanzella – RedBubble
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-bloody hell!

I see lots that I recognise on there in their normal raw format. also loads that have been used in montages – one in particulare is a bit hard to miss

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/set?id=233029

I have just sent them 32 feedback messages.

David

i see Dave you have your own copywright piece saying that you are allowing them to be used but in a non commercial manner thats cool but generally people can not publish work whether it be on the internet or books etc without the artists consent. I wouldnt allow any of my images be used for anything at all without consent,i run a company that uses alot of different images from different sources and i have a legal advisor that deals with this stuff,you have given the consent in your copy right piece.

I keep checking to see if RB comments here. I hope they can do something for us!

Thanks for the heads up Lisa just logged on but will check site out

i sent them an e-mail saying action will be taken. but i think we need to have a more invasive watermarking system that can’t be cropped off so easy.

i proposed a optional watermark idea way back, but it got buried… link

i have also email theme

so the fact that he is not using it commercialy does count, but the fact that he made a derived image from yours is still in breach of copyright, anyway one for the Bubble well done dave

i have also email them

THIS SET

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/set?id=260324

is using one of mine AND…

“Perth The City Of Lights” Wall Art by EOS20

“Moon Glo” Wall Art by pmistric

“Tropical sunset” by Clivia

Indeed, nothing you say there Peter contradicts anything I’d say. I too don’t permit anyone the use of any of my images without my consent. My licence choices (it’s not always by-nc-nd, sometimes it is “All Rights Reserved”) detail what I permit (and, of course, I don’t actually upload the full-size images).

Thing is, when it comes to this sort of thing, the people involved don’t know about this and don’t care. They’re probably unaware of their responsibilities (and, of course, the hosting site is sailing a bit close to the wind on this too).

(Not aimed at you Peter…)

Thing is, getting annoyed or lashing out won’t help any. In this sort of situation one should generally apply a large dose of Hanlon’s Razor because that’s what it generally comes down to: stupidity.

What I want to know is why people keep suggesting that watermarks have been cropped. Isn’t it more likely the case that the users of that site snarfed the smaller versions of the images on here anyway—the ones which don’t display a water mark?

Agree – a more invasive watermark would be a good solution. All mine now private only. Polyvore contacted also. I’ll wait and see how this pans out, but regretably, may be forced to cut and run if it isnt resolved fairly quickly.

Pater also went on to say “so the fact that he is not using it commercialy does count, but the fact that he made a derived image from yours is still in breach of copyright, anyway one for the Bubble well done dave“

Exactly. The key issue here, for me (and only for me, other people here won’t be using my choice of licence—this only pertains to this image), is that the person in question created a derived work which is totally against the licence I’ve placed on that image (which wouldn’t even be obvious on RedBubble anyway as I don’t mention that here).

maybe it is now time for this optional watermark

It certainly needs serious consideration.

Right well im late to this party but im F*cked off they have stollen two of my images and im upset about it!!!!!! why arn’t our images more protected eh! very pissed

Gah! Pater? Peter! Curse RedBubble’s “there is no edit” commenting system. ;-)

So lets have the little ones watermarked too!

@WitheringMoon: No more protection can really be offered. If someone can see your image in a browser than it can be snarfed for a site like that. That’s how it goes, there’s no getting around it. Watermarks wouldn’t actually stop it (and, looking around the site in question, watermarks from elsewhere haven’t stopped it).

I’m afraid it’s one of those things you’ve got to get used to. No, I don’t mean you have to accept it, but if you place an image on the net it will get used elsewhere at some point. The only way you can stop this from happening is to never upload your image in the first place.

And, then, once it happens, you need to decide how badly you want to go after the person who has (mis)used your image.

Not happy that someone has used my work without my permission!

Maybe its time the watermarks on this site are made a little larger (Or across the images) to deter people stealing images (Just like Steven Sandner’s example).

I assume that the other thing to do for the moment is to see RB’s Melbourne Office response when Oz wakes up tomorrow/today!

Oh dave i know how badly i wanna go after these people and i will see it through – why should i and others work hard for them just to be stoolen by a silly fashion website – im already on it. i understand what your saying and yes images will be stollen – but credit the artist – i wouldnt have been so pissed if it wasnt for that.

Well guys gotta sleep now!its 1.21 in the morning here…Keep hounding them from me will ya!!thank you

I have done individual word searchesand that throws up RB work that I recognise too -for example – search tiger

I am directiong every one here… to your journal Lisa…

and this is what I am sending to as many people as possible…

__

Please Read and Forward…

Here is a PETITION I just wrote to have our works removed from Polyvore.com and our Copyrights Honored and Respected.

Please come, read and sign…

__

@WitheringMoon: Of course we shouldn’t have our works misused like that. I agree. I’m just suggesting that (as you’re going to be doing) there’s little point in getting upset about it.

Much better to channel the emotion into educating the person who has messed up. ;-)

BTW: Update: latest attempt for them to justify their actions:

“In fact, when someone else registered on Polyvore finds your photograph compelling, they may decide to follow the link to your source image and even purchase your photograph from Red Bubble, as it is not uncommon.“

It’s a nice enough sentiment, shame it probably isn’t the case and that it justifies nothing.

Still, who knows, perhaps inksquirt will be going and buying copies of all works misused by way of compensation. ;-)

All you have to do is type your in an artists name in the search box and it will display all of the art used by that artist and what site in came from.

well I have sent them an email telling them that they have illegally obtained and using works from RB and that they should delete them and any work that they were used in or they will have thousands of pissed off people on their hands.

Dave Pearson is correct. When there is a will there is a way to steal, but we shouldn’t roll over and pony up our work so easily. All images larger than a thumbnail should have a watermark like what Steven Sandner has proposed. As with all thieves, they would rather steal from an unlocked house than one where they have to break the door down. Lets just make it more difficult for them.

I have added to the message that I send people now…

I have written it as such

___

Please Read and Forward… Important about our Copyrights

Here is a PETITION I just wrote to have our works removed from Polyvore.com and our Copyrights Honored and Respected.

Please come, read and sign…

YOu can get more information HERE (in my journal)
And HERE in Funkyfacestudio

Together we can.

__

Right im going to the gym!!!!!!!!!!!!!! – dont try and stop me lol!!!!!

watermark is the way, i remember when i first join redbubble i had watermark on all my works but they wrote back to me and ask me to take it off they said it will prevent my works from being sold, then i ask what about pirate download they said pirates can only download low resulution emages only, so i tried to load a cupple and print to see the results it was as good as new, i have just got a new site www.kofipics.com its fantastic no right clicks and a visible watermark to prevent screen shot, but i don’t think I’m ready to live you guys yet, not yet

Hmmm – clicked on one image of Snowdogs, and it took me to a site of the polyvore user who downloaded it. He is selling images here

http://www.squidoo.com/monarcopia

this is such crap i hope that we can resolve this good luck guys i am off to class!

This makes me so mad, we work hard on our art. Then they just go and steal it and then sell it without our knowledge. Hope this gets resolved soon.

Yeah I hope things get sorted out. Well I better be off too, its 1:39am here and I better catch some zz’s.

“why arn’t our images more protected eh!”

Protecting your images is YOUR responsibility. Posting them on any Internet site is YOUR choice.

RedBubble displays your images at smaller resolutions to keep people from stealing them for print, but that won’t stop people from using them on the web.

The ONLY person that can protect your images is you. If you want to display your work on the Internet then you’d better be prepared to have others steal it, because it IS going to happen.

The bottom of Inksquirt’s ‘Smilebox’ slideshow says:
Original art and design by A. Jellenek, All Rights Reserved.

And he is using some redbubble images in there as well.

The ‘Smilebox’ slideshow is on this page:
http://www.squidoo.com/monarcopia

not on polyvore.com

Hi all. Want to get my two penneth in. Two of my pictures have been stolen. Mega peed off. Watermarks definately needed.I will read the rest of the comments when I have time but at the mo I am not a happy bunny.

They also have a link to RedBubble, More from this site.

I have also written them + reminded them what they have done is illegal.

thats not right . nothing of mine is being used, but still i see alot ofother peoples work on there. they should be told that their work is being used elsewhere so that they can do something about it. inksquirt has whole sets using nothing but redbubble art.

I have been looking at polyvore and it allows you to leave comments against the “work” jkust as you can do here in RB.
I have registered an account with Polyvore and and applying comments indicating that that they have breached copyright and I want the image removed.
is as this I suggest a few more of us do this is their public profile

I have contacted inksquirt and they have removed one of my images as requested … a little bit of gentle persuasion seems to have done the trick. At least they seem to be listening !

i just went on the site.they now have 12 pages of our work! what a cheek. ill definately sign the petition.

I found three of my images there. Unreal. I’ve already sent them a message explaining that they are in violation of copyright law and demanding the removal of my work and all other copyrighted work from RB. Sad day.

I emailed polyvore 3 or 4 days ago and threatened them with a lawsuit and a complaint to the BBB, they emailed me back saying “no need to threaten we will have them removed” But they were still there this morning.

Ugh, god, and the people who used my photos butchered them. Couldn’t they at least have used them to make something aesthetically pleasing?

Yes, I’m being sarcastic. But they sure as hell did butcher my photos, which is sort of an “insult to injury’ thing.

I have not found any of my art work but I did give them some feed back stating that this was illegal. Thanks for all the information and hopefully we can do something out it.

I found one of mine there.
This need sorting fast!

If I’m not mistaken,they have removed the images. If you click on the link above posted by Stuart (http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/search?displayurl=redbubble.com&idx=thing) or copy and paste this in your browser, then click on a thumbnail, they are not there. Hope I’m right!

just signed the petition…

“The thing you were looking for was not found!”
that is the message I get when I click on a thumbnail.

I know that it really isn’t any consolation, but the stuff they are creating with our art is absolutely hideous.

Even though 12 pages still show, they are not active, I hope!

Following the case of a stolen image of mine online, I had this information at hand:

The Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works protect our copyright on works internationally.

The Berne Convention (excerptions)
...
(b) Subject to certain permitted reservations, limitations or exceptions, the following are among the rights which must be recognized as exclusive rights of authorization:

-The right to make reproductions in any manner or form
-The right to make adaptations and arrangements of the work
...
The Convention also provides for “moral rights,” that is, the right to claim authorship of the work and the right to object to any mutilation or deformation or other modification of, or other derogatory action in relation to, the work which would be prejudicial to the author’s honor or reputation.
...
As to the duration of protection, the general rule is that protection must be granted until the expiration of the 50th year after the author’s death.

The Berne Convention in full text

The World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO), a specialised agency in the UN, also lists the contracting countries in the Berne Convention in force:

http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ShowResults.jsp?lang=en&treaty_id=15

The problem is , if you read the contract, they hold the individuals responsible for the images they acquire, so along with the threatening emai^ I sent , I included…..if they didn’t do something about it then I wanted contact info. They did not give me any !

Well, Well, Well I noticed they hit me also, I saw they are using images from deviantArt also. The turning off the right click won’t work, some sites have that but all one has to do is got up to edit and hit copy. I’m wanting to know what redbubble has to say also. If some one would tell me they have the hard copy of my work I would tell bring it to court because I save everything I do from the design I start with and their not going to have the model designs and the software it was created on and the style I use.

Images from Redbubble may be gone (don’t know haven’t had time to recheck), but I’ve reported this at a couple of other sites whose images are being used, as well as an “all site” forum – in fairly short order polyvore will have more than a few thousand people on their tails.

I went and looked and when I looked on a photo when the page came up it reads: :The thing you were looking for was not found!” Looks like they are taking Red Bubble art off their website.

I’ve found one of mine and had the same as RonniLeigh, but I emailed them and told them they were comitting copywrite theft and I suggested they contact me!

RB images are still there, have sent them feedback, informing them, they are infringing copyright and to remove all RB images.

Just checking in. Keep it up guys. We’ll get there. This is a real community spirit we have here. All for one and one for all. Go RB!!!

It’s sorted now !!

They could be hiding them

Did anyone call the UK or US RB office?

yes looks like polyvore have removed all the images for use … I guess the mass complaints over the last few hours have done the trick … well done to everyone who complained

We rock!

Even the thumbnails are gone now.

I just did a searh of my name the thumbnail is still there but the large image is gone, I dont know if someone used my image or not so…if someone used my image I don’t know if it was taken out also.

Result!

I have just checked out one of the users on Polyvore (inksquirt) who used one of my images and a good part of their portfolio has disappeared. I guess with the rb images being pulled then the users “works” are not displayed .. excellent !!

WOOOT!!!!!!! Looks like they have taken off the photos if you search you get thumb nails but it seems that the main files have been removed and the collages (or what ever you want to call the crap that they made) that incorporated our photos have been removed as well I think it will take some further investigating to make sure but at the moment that’s where we stand. Looks like when you have a couple hundred people email them and tell them they have infringed on copyright and that lawsuits WILL follow that they listen. Congrats all!!!!!! Way to stick together!!!! Though we are not totally finished its a nice step.

I think the main thing here is that we stuck together. I was told one of my images was on there by a friend and fellow redbubbler! I think we would all agree we’d be happy for our images to be used WITH our permission! But certainly not without! Well done everyone!

my image has been removed.

“The thing you were looking for was not found!”

seems that an individual protest does actually work.

Damn fine result..!!! I hope I’m not bieng a tad premature here but well done everyone!!

Oops. yeah i was wrong the thumbnails are still there.

Wait untli the RB Guys wake up and see what we accomplished.
They’ll be so proud. :)

way to go guys

Looks like BUBBLE-POWER may have worked.

All for one and one for all. That’s the RB spirit! :)

I was just bubbled by someone here, who found some connection to someone here w/ squidoo or something??? I tried the link and an RB forum post came up…..now I try again and it takes you to squidoo, If that person would like to post it here it would be more tha nwelcome. That is terrible if the person is a member of RB.

Let’s not get to comfortable tho, we should continue to check them out. But way to guy guys for sticking together!!! I am proud to say I am a member of RB:)

i plugged off an email to. thanks frogster. glad funkyface noticed.

Ve-va la red bubble

I just sent them a message to remove any images from redbubble also any works that someone might have used our images on. HIGH FIVES all around sweet hugs for the ladys and manly hug for you guys.

FUNKYFACESTUDIO FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes! A big thanks to Lisa for all her work!

fantastic news!!!

You guys are silly :) Love the spirit of this community here.

Wow.. I was here about 4 hours ago and shooting off some emails to polyvore.. just came back to see what’s up.. Great result everyone! :-)

Thanks for the heads up Lisa ! By the way, I just tried that link that ended up at Squidoo, I typed in Redbubble at the search box and 4 links showed up. You cant stop members adding links to here, to promote thier work, but it opens the door for the more unsavoury types ! Such is life !

The sets are still there though… the sets called “redbubble” taht should mean that they might have been made of redbubble’s uploads…

Here is the PETITION

hey guys..i just checked … there are still over 300 pics that come up when you type in redbubble.

well done * funkyfacestudio*

@catherine – they seem to be thumbnails only and are effectively now dead-links.

ok…clicked on a few of them…page comes up saying not found…but if you right click you can copy them still….i just tried.. and it worked… but then i deleted it ….
ok so they are taking out the linking..but what about the actual picture????

Cant RedBubble protect with a watermark that only shows, if somebody besides RedBubble tries to print it? I know they give us all the site for free, but I add my work thinking its protected! I am not sure what the cost would be, but would like the protection! I do not seem to not care, becuase I do, but did not want them getting my e-mail account info either! Where is the form you asked to sign?

OK guys, there has been someone here that has found some very interesting information, It will have to be something you will have to look up on your own and draw your own conclusions, I’m not sure we should name names just yet because it could be very hurt full if the person is miss identified or who knows ? but here is the info.

If you go to the link from inksquirt, the one who posted the images in Polyvore:
http://www.squidoo.com/monarcopia

After clickin around got to the page where it says Who is Squidoo http://www.squidoo.com/blog/?p=171

One of the names listed there happens to be a member here, I did a search here by last name with each of those 4 names.

Could be just the same name but if you click on his name there you will see a drawing that looks a lot like his pic here.

We are NOT done yet… look here
There are still 12 pages of redbubble’s stuff there at the present time…

Lets keep signing the petition… if you ahven’t done so, you can find it here

We stand strong together… :)

Hot Damn well for now at least they have removed the large graphics.
Before I typed in http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/search?query=redbubble&ronnileigh=redbubble.com and a page came up but I couldn’t find any of my art. It was a page they made all of our art into the collage crap. And boy it is ugly. I wouldn’t consent to anyone adding my art if it made my art tacky or ugly anyway.
Thank goodness for everyone sticking together.

Lisa… doesn’t it say … and I quote “Squidoo makes it really really (really!) easy to share your favorite stuff online, discover great recommendations, earn a little dough and even give to charity. All for free.”
HOw sad…

Looks like i missed all the commotion, Great work guys.
When i read the start of this thread i was about to open a thousand year old can of Chinese “Whoop Ass”

Ha ha ha…I just found more of my works….they did not remove them like they said they would.

READ MY LAST ENTRY ^ !!!!!

Thanks Lisa! I found two of my shots there. I think they have copied them too. Not linked. I have marked those two pictures as private, but they doesn´t dissapear from the homepage. What could we do? Sue them?

i saw it..saw the pics and .. all im going to say is mmmhmmmm…..

i have lots of photos on flick and deviantart too..i sent some links to people whose photos i found on that weird site..they’re crazy! ripping images from people and tweaking them..crazy!

I just went to see again. Looks like that can is about to opened. But hey none of my work is there so it pays to be crap. LOL

I have Bmailed someone at RB concerning my last journal entry, so don’t swamp them just yet. please :)

I wonder if some of us should save the pages of the site for proof. They could take it off and do it again later and then we would be at square one.

I wrote them and said we would sue but whatever I can do. Nothing of mine is on there but I will harass the heck out of them. I am good at that. Email them every couple of minutes. That really sucks. Whatever I can do I am with you all to stop these jerks.

It’s 3:10 pm here. What time is it in RB land?

Very very early in the morning I expect.

Grrr my this sucks! my photo is on that site

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/search?query=edwin_ng&idx=thing&sort=&displayurl=redbubble.com

I did not read all the comments on this subject, but enough of them to have an idea. I have detected my photos in other sites , very reputable in appearance, even after I have closed my account. Seems to be a standard operation. I don’t know if by mutual consent, web sites use our art for other purposes. I sometimes imagine how easy it would be to print and sell this art in other countries where e don’t knoe they are been used. Even in the Internet, it takes luck to find one specific work of art repeated somewhere else. In my case I was just browsing a new site for photos and it already had photos to show. When I looked, I found my photos from this other canceled account at another site. Who can tell? Maybe they were the same people. Second web site, they were selling items with the art, like the one mentioned here. The artists hardly eve gets anything.

I think they would be 13 hours ahead of you.

I’m gonna be the odd one here and say this.. I’m not really bothered that they have my images on there. It has a link to my RB page, so I don’t care. :-/ Am I the only one?

And I already mentioned that but I’m sure the link provides more traffic for stealing than it does any sales.

i dig the hunt attack attack frenzy dribble dribble
just chek ya temporary internet files folder its full of wikuddddd stuff from red bubble thats wikudd

I agree with funkyfacestudio there 100%...

Link or not Faizan, it is the principle of the thing. Well done so far everyone.

theres a ratt in the house i can smell it a mile away

Faizan, the problem is that the link isn’t there so people can buy your stuff. It’s there so people can cull more of your stuff to use in their montages. I would seriously care.

The problem with this, whether the images are truly gone or not, is that the ‘damage’ has been. The site itself (polyvore) is why the images were in use in the first place. People will just continue taking the images they want (not all of thepeople of course, but certainly enough of them) from wherever they want – not just here – they just won’t include names or galleries any longer.

Anyone can figure out how to make a screencapture.

Even if they have a link to RB this is not a right thing to do, people can still download and use your image from another site without your approval when you are trying to sell them here

Um, if the pages are gone try the wayback machine – they’ll probably still be there.

hey, i just went back to that cheezy site. i noticed that the amount of redbubble “colages” have decrease. when i first visited this morning, there were 10 pages. now they are down to 7. i hope you guys are helping with annoying them and trashing and whateer good stuff we can do!! i think someone may have done or said something to cause a decrease that big.

You are the only one i think Faizan,When people put effort and time into creating a piece of art ,and then for someone to comes along and take it without prior knowledge…that’s not right and just plain theft.

MORE INFO FROM ANOTHER PERSON…and let’s keep names to ourselves for the moment.

http://www.squidoo.com/inksquid/
http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Monarcopia

http://www.redbubble.com/people/monarcopia/art/120644-3-saturnflow
http://www.artbyus.com/auctions.php?a=2&b=175085

Notice the photo in the top right corner of the inksquirt slideshow:
http://www.squidoo.com/monarcopia/
http://www.redbubble.com/people/monarcopia/art/120639-3-god-drop

I apologize if you already figured all this out.

Nope – the most recent archive for polyvore is May 2007 – there don’t appear to be any pages archived after that.

I see images from other sites with a nice big watermark and I wish redbubble had one. It makes it easier to see where the images have been taken from.

hey, none of mine have been stolen….. i’am i that crap!!! not only have i not sold any theives don’t even want to take them!!!
keep up the good work people, nail them.

Once I was helping my daughter with a school project and we would print photos to apply to a board, some would not show a watermark until it was being printed, would that still work with right click to save ?

Know the feeling Petelangman.
Me too, I have practically left the keys in the car and still the so and so’s don’t take it.
Metaphorically speaking of course.
You nail them,i’ll hammer them!

“Once I was helping my daughter with a school project and we would print photos to apply to a board, some would not show a watermark until it was being printed, would that still work with right click to save ?”

Anything you can see on the screen can be copied and saved. Watermarks can be cloned out but it takes time and people usually make a mess of it. I have seen some stolen images from another site with the watermark cloned out but you can still make out where they were taken from.

Goodmorning – 6:45 am here and I’ve just read this thread. When I searched their site the only thing I could find were a few thumbnails. I’ll follow up with this later this morning and get in touch with our lawyers to see what action is warranted.

Update!!!

squidoo is indeed a member of RedBubble.
See “Monarcopia\

Her name is Anna is she is from the Toronto area.

Good morning Peter and thank you.

Excellent excellent. I’m glad that the bubble takes care of it’s members so well. Thank you!!

But let me add well done guys – it seems that a massive collective effort has forced these guys to respond! And quickly. The power of this collective protection shouldn’t be underestimated.

There is another name going around but let’s leave names out for now.

sorry, I mis-typed.
Marnocopia

Sorry for the rude awakening, Peter. Hopefully this is an isolated incident.

Thank you Peter!

Nice one Peter!!

Fantastic work folks, just sent 3 emails to them from different addresses saying I’d sue.
Only problem is there does not appear to be any of my work on there site, a confirmation that I only post crap LOL

Yes I agree with funkyfacestudio – for now let’s not get too focused on names – I’ll need to investigate this in a considered manner and I wouldn’t like us to falsely accuse anyone.

funkyfacestudio, just want to mention thanks for bringing this to our attention. Just had my breakfast here in New Zealand, so I guess the RB staff would be stirring up in 3-4 hrs from my post

Robert the truth is they could/could’ve kept adding other’s art so hey the 3 emails was worth it.
Thank You Peter!!!

They’re already stirring ;-)

I have emailed them asking them to steal some of my work. so i can email that i’m gonna sue!!! they haven’t replied, so i have sbout 20 mates emailing them saying their gonna sue.

For those of you that have found your work to be on the site, use the DMCA process, also if you really want to annoy send them an invoice for $10,000 per image used as a license for using your copyrighted work. A valid invoice is a legal document which when they do not pay gives you more leverage in court. Plus once you have invoiced them you may after 30 days contract a collection agency.

Just ensure that you comply with all proper business practices and then drop the legal and business hammer upon them. They feel that individual artists are powerless but if they get a bunch of the invoices they decide to leave redbubble as a non-poach zone.

BySilent, do us all a template and we’ll send our invoices! ;-)

I can’t believe the roller coaster of the last 7 hours.

Well done one and all. This really is a great community here. I too am proud to be a bubbler

this is what the red bubble community should be,one for all,all for one!with our join cooperation and concern to our site,we can fight the shit people around us!

Well done guys. Amazing what can be done when the community pulls together! (sorry I was at work during most of this and couldn’t help more)

Good thing I’m not busy at work today! :P

Well done and much thanks to funkyfacestudio!

If anyone does send an invoice, just make sure you get proof from the post office that it was mailed.

Serious stuff. I haven’t had time to read all this info yet. I do hope we as an organisation can put a stop to this. Concerned Pauline

Forgot to say thanks Lisa for making us all aware of this . They will not get away with this!!! I feel like removing all my work from rb but then why shoud I?

I’m not removing my work, we all deserve to be here and displaying our work. That’s why we have to fight back and win this matter.

funkyfaceLisa, you are my new hero!
Not only did you find the problem, you alerted the RB Community, who all pulled together to address the outrage of copyright infringement.

BySilentThomas suggested sending them an invoice and following through with it as far as sending it to a collections agency when it is not paid.

Excellent idea. I would like to add a couple of recommendations to add to your file.
Make a PDF file of the page where you found your work.
Make PDF files of all electronic communications between you and the infringer.
*Add a payment deadline to the invoice; add interest/late fees to subsequent invoices.

I did notice the backwork links from Polyvore to RB no longer work they renamed them THING

They still work from DeviantArt

Stuart Chapman, about 7 hours ago
I belive these are all the images from our site in question

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/search?displayurl=redbubble.com&idx=thing
http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/search?displayurl=deviantart.com&idx=thing

If you check these out Redbubble no loanger comes back here, Deviant art still goes to DA

SO they may have reacted somewhat
I dont know how Stuart found this page maybe you need to be signed in.

I wasn’t signed in.

I clicked on links that were there at the time. I think it was a see all work next to a redbubble logo after clicking through a few trails.

Those buttons have now gone

They’ve even gone for all other sites (Flickr, vogue etc.) that were there earlier. So I can’t even show you how I found that now.

Evidence that the RB stuff is coming off

In reaction to all this (and like some others, my work must not be good as it i not there…lol) I checked out the public / private options on my images in RB. If I mark it as private then my audience/potential customers will not be able to see the work that I sell so we are caught in a little hole of the damned (damned if you do, damned if you don’t). Can RB place a ‘right click save as’ disable on the site from others even copying the thumbnail? Just an idea to thow out to you all.
And yes it is great to see that there still is a community spirit out there. Congrats to everybody!

Wow, thanks so much for bringing this to everyone’s attention, Lisa, and well done everyone for the collective push to bring about a great result! I slept through it all, but I did suffer some shocking nightmares, maybe you were channelling this…..lol!!!
Big pat on the back, Lisa!!!!

I emailed a couple of fellow members at Artwanted that works were on the site.

The things I miss by going to work! At least everybody on RB is amazing and willing to come together when we need to most…

@ Stuart, you must have clicked on … recent items ….. then it throws up the list of sites.

Anita, I just did “save page as” on all pages that had my images….is that good enough ?

Well done everyone excellent group effort.I do not have any images there, but have sent them a feedback comment-:

“Please can you explain why you are stealing copyright images from the redbubble website. These images are copyrighted and are owned by the members not the company so thus you should ask permission from the members!! I think you could be in for a lot of law suits.
Regards!!!!”

I think they could be in for fun- lets keep this going!!

HEY THE IMAGES MASTERS ARE STILL THERE… SEE THIS LINK

ignore that last comment of mine they have just taken them off

P.S. for those who haven’t figured it out yet….the “works” they have done with OURS is still attached to the title we gave them…..look up the title and see all that has been done with your images.

I bet they’ve had an interesting day LOL

For those involved, get those invoices ready then

I made PDF files of the 12 pages of RB thumbnails and the web pages that lead to them.

If any of you want to follow through with sending invoices, I would be happy to send them to you to use as exhibits. Just Bubblemail me.

WOW, I go to bed for a few hours and find redbubble under assault, but the attack was repulsed it would seem.
Congrats to everyone.
Lets all keep this site in our favourites, and monitor them from now on. Intelligence, as it were.
Well done all!!!, especially Lisa. :o)

yes, use that link and type your titles…you will find your images smeared with tasteless junk.

This is CRAPOLA!! This is why i was hesitant to upload to RB! Win mentions that we should NEVER upload high res images, but isnt it RB that specifies HIGH RES – for BIG BEAUTIFUL PRINTS? i dunno! thanks funky for making us aware of this.

YES THANKS LISA

BTW the sets that have been created with whole or part images are still there.. i just double triple checked… look here

funkyfaceLisa, I make my PDF files from the Print menu and use the PDF button in the dialog window to “save as PDF.” It will save it as the page name into whatever folder you choose.

Do this for the pages you find using the title of the artwork. All I PDFd were the 12 thumbnail pages. Anyone is welcome to them, so let me know if you want me to send you a set. Include a live email address in your Bubblemail.

I also made PDFs of the 7 pages of “sets.”

If you go to www.polyvore.com and click on try it
you can search under SHOW ME in the white window for ” redbubble” when you do the images still are there, and you can select them to add to ‘your’ design. So eventhough you can’t see the page with the details anymore, you can still abuse the copyright by using the image illegally.
LL

Is there a way to invoice them as a group? naming the pictures used, our names and all they were used for.

Deviant art is a jungle, but they have 6000 images from there, I posted to their forum, there are so many members there by the time it finished a 2 line post I was 5th on the list, I dont go there often it is just TOO much.

linda’s right !! I also cant believe that they have images from big name stores etc !!

As stuart says this link still works

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/search?displayurl=redbubble.com&idx=thing

but they took the backlink off.

I wouldnt suggest they are caving in, just biding time till they get a legal opinion.
They can’t care less if people use your work, else they wouldnt of created that SCAVENGE tool they use.

If they feel they are in the clear look for it to continue. REMEMBER tho Napster LOST and this is a very similar case. Napster claimed since they didnt commit the act themselves they wered not liable, courts didnt buy that.

Our work can still be used on it , I just created some rubbish ….. deleted it of course.

My image was stolen. I have been on RedBubble one week and I haven’t sold a card yet, but this happens. UGH!!!!!!!!!

Trouble is, the more bubblers go there, the more popular the redbubble.com site gets on their list of sites to hit…..its a no win situation in that regard…..gahhhhhh…..I gotta go

Good luck everyone.

Just as well, I didnt link there from here :))

The 12 pages of redbubble images now fail after the 5th page. Seems like they are slowly deleting them !

Keep checking links up above too…. :)

The shutterstock images still have the watermark across them …..

Where do we send our invoices to? The domain is registered to DomainByProxy with I believe masks their true identity.

Still got 12 pages

Sorry, must have been a glitch, now back to 12 pages also

hi…just as disgusted as everyone here…......lets kick their backside back to where is belongs….......and its such a lovely day here otherwise….....

@ Edwin, paste it in the feedback box.

grrrrrr…. ofcom anyone?

Well, I have to retire for the night now. I sense this one’s going to rumble on for a while

wait til you discover the russian sites that rip work. communicating with them is impossible. it happens all over. its the risk you take when you upload, if your work is good, someone is going to take it. i used to hunt them down, but frankly i dont speak a gazillion languages nor do i have the time. now if they ask nicely and give credit, i let them take it. its publicity.

I just typed in three of my titles and my images were gone. How about yours?

Wow! Well thats a great way to start the day!! To find out that people are stealing your images..! As far as I can see I only had one.. but that is one more than I’d like to see..
What are you supposed to do? Stop puting your work on the internet..? That’ll never happen! The only thing I can see to do is use larger watermarks in the click to big.. Make it a bit harder for them to steal!!! ;-)

My images seem to be gone…
I also sent individual messages to each person who made a collage. One person complied and apologized, thus removing… another person said this:

dear kimberly,
i did not mean to use your pictures and i will not remove my creations. i FOUND all of the images in the specific set you commented on on polyvore ALREADY. so take it up with whoever REALLY posted your pictures. sorry again for the inconvenience but i won’t remove my work your comment will be deleted and so will your message.

Doesn’t make me feel better though, I wonder how many people have them on their computers ? makes me sick, having my daughters face everywhere and with all the added junk plastered on the image.

These guys have to simply REFUSE to post art that is not supposed to be there…
It even says our names when we jsut wait for the mouse to show us where the picture comes from…
They shoul know better than to allow this to happen…

(I just returned… sorry for my leave… Just need the time to warm up a bit, and I’ll be right back up and trying to catch back with the “new” stuff on this issue.)

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/set?id=237959

there is a huge bunch of mine there too…bloody hell…has anyone heard from RB HQ about this yet???

my opinion,is that the site in question,should be delt with to the full extent of the law,chris,i may as well give them the key’s to my house.

Seems that mine are now gone, anyone else have theirs removed ?

Here is a tip for you guy’s who have had art STOLLEN.
WWW.IC3.GOV THIS IS AS FAR AS I KNOW FOR AUSTRALIA,im sure they shpuld have links,or more information,for o.s.people. a petittion is great,but it still means they get away with it,do somthing now.

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/set?id=237959 My image is Butterfly Eyes, and it’s the lower right hand image. She did remove my request to remove it, and is leaving it up. This just can’t be right….

some of the stuff is remove but the people who used your work and created there collage with it. dose not want to take it down.

This has been an issue for a while now Funky, thanks so much for being proactive and bringing it to the attention of all concerned.

It now needs the serious and urgent attention of RB HQ!

Save the page.

Exactly Wanda….

can someone tell us what we SHOULD say to these individuals? I want to leave this person another comment, since I’m registered there, but I don’t want to get in a fighting match with her.

I just found my image on there. Some how my eyes didn’t see it there at first. Yep, on the first page. My cut-out moon. They did such a sloppy job too. Anyways, I just wrote them a mail.

Jess – I just found one of yours and left them a massive note that the image was stolen and should be removed immediately. I also went from that person’s page “report this image” and advised that it was stolen (like they don’t know). I have to go to work now, but will report polyvore to facebook as well.

kimberly palmer tell that person that she need to remove the photo it is not her work. in the first place and just because you alter some one alse work dose not mean that is there to claim. to make something yours is to do your own original.

I cannot believe this. Two of my fav images have been used to make crap
http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/set?id=223372
http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/set?id=230269
Jessica Tremp’s Chasing The Day
Brent Pearson’s Mona Vale Pool
I’m sure there are alot more being used in this way..
RB really has to do something about this..

thanks Cathie xxx

Here is part of the terms of service in their contract:”

You understand that any items you import, and sets you create on the Website will be made available to the public. Further, you hereby grant us, our affiliates, and our partners a worldwide, irrevocable, royalty-free, nonexclusive, sublicensable license to use, reproduce, create derivative works of, distribute, publicly perform, publicly display, transfer, transmit, distribute, and publish the sets you have created using the Website.”

This site needs to be shut down.

Thanks Wanda, I will try to post another comment there. I also used the report button and reported it stolen.

Soooooo I just discovered that with T’s when you click-to-large view the image there is NO copyright at all… what the hell?

Hi Lee, your avatar goes perfectly with this thread :) I’ll check that out now, thanks.

I just left a comment to the girl who did that midnight collage using my moon shot. Hrrrmmm maybe I can copy her sloppy image of a shirt and sell it here…see how she would like it. But I won’t stoop that low.

Please remember to make PDF files of the pages where you find your artwork.
Choose Print/PDF/save as PDF and put them all in the same place. These PDF files are evidence and will be very helpful if you want to legitimize your complaint by sending an invoice or entering into a lawsuit.

I have a collection of PDF files from their thumbnails pages and seven pages of “sets” if any of you didn’t get the chance to make your own.

Oh no!
If you click “Try it” on the front page to try to use the image editor and you search ‘redbubble’ from within the image editor all the red bubble images are STILL there!

hey, i’m finding it hard to get into some images, they come up as thumbnails under the redbubble search but then i can’t seem to get in to it…i only got into the ‘chasing the day’ image which has been absolutely trashed by other people’s crap written all over it, by actually typing the title into the search engine…am i doing something wrong?

and it looks like they can still use them

Does someone with an account at Polyvore want to see if an image can be created and saved with the redbubble art?

http://www.ic3.gov/ internet crime…....check it out

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/set?id=237959 I added my 2cents again. Thanks Robert, for adding yours too.

Before making an account with them you need to read the Service Agreement. You basically sign away alot.

If there will be lawsuits why can’t everyone that had their art stolen sue .polyvore together?

This is not legal even in Stock Photography. Stock has to be purchased. Can only be used in magazines and on websites. Uless you have a nextended license. If they sell your image as a card dor example they have to pay the fee (higher price for your image) and you are padi the higher price. I am going to check this site out. Thank you.

Thanks to the other person who left a message there too….

NEVERMIND, MY IMAGES ARE STILL F@@!%%$$ THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A little web surfing is finding the name Pasha Sadri connected with Polyvore. May have been connected with Yahoo in some way.

derid from what i gateh…...no one has signed in,they just took

http://pashasadri.wordpress.com/2007/09/06/goodby/

Not sure if this will work…..

I stress Pasha Sadri may have been connected with Yahoo.

I just did this for a test

i went on the site to look again and redbubble isnt listed in the site box.it was afew hours ago?some1 else check just to be sure

who is the lovely person defending me here? http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/set?id=230269

sorry here

http://www.crunchbase.com/company/polyvore

I used 2 of my contacts so as not to upset anyone.. Helene and Houk…

Couldn’t see any of yours Lisa..

Can someone save it now ? I would remove it :)

Sorry if this has already been posted (it’s a pretty long thread so I may have missed it). On the site I found this:

We will review all claims of copyright infringement received and remove content deemed to have been posted or distributed in violation of any such laws. To make a claim, please provide us with the following:

A physical or electronic signature of the copyright owner or the person authorized to act on its behalf;
A description of the copyrighted work claimed to have been infringed;
A description of the infringing material and information reasonably sufficient to permit Polyvore to locate the material;
Your contact information, including your address, telephone number, and email;
A statement by you that you have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law; and
A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and, under the pains and penalties of perjury, that you are authorized to act on behalf of the copyright owner.
Claims can be emailed to copyright@polyvore.com

So it seems there is some intention on the part of the owners of the site to do the right thing.

Can I also add my voice to the call for larger watermarks on our images – this has concerned me for some time and I think RB must now act on this.

And while we’re talking about copyright, I notice that some people are using other people’s art as part of their compositions (with full permission). I personally think that RB would be a much better position if they insisted that only work that is copyright to the artist is uploaded, so there is absolutley no doubt about the origin of the work – there could be a check box on the upload page.

I’ve just saved my example and will delete now…

hey, i left a comment on the guy who copied jess work.maybe it was silly to do,but it makes my skin crawl that they openly admit it and seem proud about it aswell.

Yep I left quite a few comments on hers and others that I have found to be using art from RB. I don’t usually do stuff like this, more laid back, but what Polyvore is doing makes me mad

A few minutes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!my images are still there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i’m one of many Jessica makes me feel good seeing no one stole my crap !

I think this chick feels terrible now Jess :) I’m writing to her and asking her to delete..

OH and I did well enough by giving them the names of the persons and the titles of work….too bad I didn’t save that send.

It seems like there is a major problem with this site – I just noticed that they are allowing people to use stock images (still watermarked!) in contravention of licence agreements. They will have so many complaints their heads will spin. OK, I’‘m just off to post in some other forums :D

No Lee I don’t think she feels terrible I just received a ‘lovely’ private message from her.

Guys, I hate to stop the lynching but this other site seems like a scrap book for kids who are into fashion and stuff. Maybe refrain from abusing the shit out of the poeple if you don’t know anything about them. They might be 12 year old girls who don’t know any better and calling them “pieces of shit” is hardly constructive.

I know everyone is upset, and has every right to be. But act rationally, ask the site mods to politely remove the artwork, and give them a chance to do so.

Play nice should extend beyound the bubble.

I did the first time too..
why do yo keep on freaking over that one pic? are you the artist? well….guess waht? there is no words in the world that will change anything. haha.

Then I sent one back asking how she would feel… got this
how was i suppose 2 know the pic was stolen?

last one.. which I replied again… how would you feel…
then that would mean you guys would ‘break me down’ i dont get broken down btw. sorry if it was stolen. maybe MAYBE if you guys will be reasonable and talk reasonable…ill consiter deleting it

think that one’s gone

I agree betelnut….

Just got this back

thanks for being resonable…ill delet it

jess i think the one stolen from u is gone too :)

you are right betelnut,, its just that guy was pretty horrible to the other rb members.But yes, i do understand what you mean

She clearly had no idea it was stolen as I think we’ll find with everyone else..

i think they banned me from that site as well. at least i got my say in.

I still have 7 collages showing with my art.
http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/search?query=kimberly+palmer&x=4&y=8

how do we get rid of the thumbnails?

I’ve had a closer look at that site, and noticed that it is really a wide-spread problem. There are 2464 pages (no, that’s not a typo) of watermarked images from istockphoto, so I guess having a big watermark is no protection. I guess that most of the contribs there don’t have a clue about copyright, and think that they can take any image from anywhere!!

Yea I just got another one from her as well. She sounds pretty upset. We have given her a real thrashing. They haven’t banned me as yet..

This is an e-mail we’ve recently received from polyvore:

Subject: Polyvore
To:
Hello,

I am writing on behalf of Polyvore and in relation to feedback we have
been receiving from RedBubble community members.

Polyvore is a visual bookmarking and search tool. As explained in our
help pages, all the images in Polyvore have been imported by our
members who are responsible for respecting copyright laws and the
rights of the owners of the images. We always retain an attribution
link back to the original source of the image.

We have been very responsive to any type of abuse report and have
typically taken down the images in question within a few hours of
receiving an actionable request. We have taken longer to respond in
cases where the complaint was non-actionable (ie: did not specify
which images should be removed). This was the case with a request
from one of your members.

I wanted to let you know that for the time being, we have removed all
the images imported into Polyvore from RedBubble.com. It will take
more time for the thumbnails and other external references to these
items to be removed from our site and search engines etc that may hold
cached copies.

Please:

1. Explain to your user community that we as a service provider have
NOT stolen any of these images.

2. Ask them to stop sending rude, threatening or otherwise abusive
emails to us or our members.

3. We have not received an official request from RedBubble.com to
completely block your images from being included in the Polyvore
index. We did not want to assume that the requests of a few of your
members was representative of the entire RedBubble community. We
believe that the inclusion of those works in our index is ultimately
beneficial for RedBubble.com members because it gives their work an
additional venue for exposure.

Please feel free to contact me with any questions/concerns.

Thx,

[Name removed]
Polyvore Inc.

We’re still investigating this – it seems that Polyvore have heard the concern from RedBubble.

The most gut renching and sad thing is.. It’s some of the best work on RB that they’ve stolen… :(

Thanks Peter, for informing us.

Cheers Peter!

Yes Lee you are right

Thanks Peter for letting us know.
What gets me they said we harrassed the members but if we all stole from Polyvore personally how would they have reactted????

Oh Man, I just went there too…. I too am sooooooo DISGUSTED & ANGRY!!!!

I have read on other sites , if you find a company using your images without your permission send them an invoice . They will either pay it or hopefully remove images if not paid.
Some sites do have affilaitions with other sites.
So yes let the RB admins know what is happening.

Well shows that the RB family are a force to be reckoned with. I just got another message from the girl that used Jess’s pic. She is really quite upset about it, she has deleted it. I think it is as betelnut has said. They are just kids, and don’t really know anything regarding copyright etc…

We have not received an official request from RedBubble.com to
completely block your images from being included in the Polyvore
index.

So has anyone from RB-HQ placed this request??

doesn’t seem to excuse in my view that the website is allowing them to do so though in the first place…surely they have to regulate these things? seems a bit irresponsible and “hand-wipey’ to just brush things off like that and blame the users?

Yes thanks Peter, I’m interesterd to know more….RB shows up on our pages , sometimes at the perfect moment and they seem to know what is going on….Polyvore has created a contract that makes them feel safe, giving their users the responsibility of the images they acquire, however the RB link was just a way to create more traffic to steal and if they were checking on their members they would have seen the links to RB and would have know it was not the proper site to obtain images!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Peter.

And I’ve just received a call from Polyvore and they’re fully cooperating. It will take them a while to pull all images down – so they’ve asked for some patience. Please also go a little easy on them with the e-mails we send to them – my initial investigation is that they’ve not dark villians.

I’ve asked them to remove all RB images.

THIS IS EXACTLY THE REASON WHY I PAINT…....
YOU CANT BEAT AN ORIGINAL…... THEY CANT STEAL BRUSH MARKS
EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST A CRAPPY DIGITAL REPRODUCTION….. WHAT A GREAT BIG FUSS OVER BUGGER ALL…... THIS IS THE INTERNET!!!!
WHO DO YOU PEOPLE THINK YOU ARE????
METALICA!!!!!

Thanks Peter, thanks Redbubble team, and thanks to all of you who responded so quickly and appropriately to this infringement. It is exactly how these sorts of copyright infringements should be dealt with, and I am very pleased with how quickly we got a positive response for action!

Mundy

Scott, I’ve been wondering this too…shouldn’t they have jumped in way before us members had to ask them? Bel tells me she raised this with RB HQ up to a month ago???
Sadly, it doesn’t seem important enough

I have made a few comments on others that are using RB images. One of the girls wrote back and said this;

OMG…if they are aware of this (I just posted this on the polyvore forum by the way…do you know of the forum? please join there to make everyone aware…it is on www.polyvore.freeforums.org, this is unforgivable.
I obviously assumed the images were legal to use…
I don’t even know which imaghe you are talking about :(

So it is now been brought up in the forums on Polyvore..

Wonder what Target will think about it?

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/search?displayurl=target.com&idx=thing&page=1

http://www.target.com/

http://sites.target.com/site/en/spot/page.jsp?title=terms%5Fconditions

now that’s cool!

Isn’t it common sense that polyvore should have blocked all images from ALL sites such as REDBUBBLE, FLICKR, ISTOCKPHOTOS and the like. These images are copyrighted and should never have been used in the first place???
Simply saying, “No-one has asked us not to use them” is pretty pathetic.

Ok this is what she posted in the forum

Could someone help me please?
I just got a VERY upset message from somoene from red bubble? telling me on my set that I stole the image and ws in breach of copyright and had to remove the set right away?
I never downloaded anything, simply used images available on polyvore, which I obviousloy assumed were legal. What is this about?
is Polyvore having these kind of issues? if it is, I do not wish to participate

Maybe we can bring this to a few more members attention and Polyvore will have to rethink their site

They knew where their people were getting images from!!!

I wonder how many new spies we have here today?

yeah Peter but thay are irresponsible to provide tools to do what they are doing, dont tell me they didnt know how irresponsible Web users are about intellectual rights.

They neednt make it EASIER.

AND what shade of villian they are isnt too pertinent.

They have now taken off direct access to redbubble, istockphoto, and deviant art AND is suppose any other organized art site. If you have the links they are still working.

They appear to be pulling RB images, with only some collages left….amazing find funkyface!
They say;
“You can import anything that has a medium or large sized image on a web page that is publicly accessible (pages protected by passwords or firewalls will not work). Images with solid or very simple backgrounds work best.”

..but how are they using istockphoto images without the copyright splashed across the middle?....have they done a deal with them or are they removing the watermark?

http://polyvore.freeforums.org/

Did you sign up Darren ? needs user name & password.

Shanina, they appear to have pulled all the istockphoto images as well, which is terrific, but I hope they realise now that they need to police this a bit better. As someone else said, they DO have a responsibility. BTW, istockphoto have arrangements with some sites, like vox, where users can post small size images that link back to the original. But I’m not aware of such an arrangment with polyvore. There are still some images from other stock sites on polyvore last time I looked, and I’ve sent them a note about that too (polite, of course :D )

Just goes to show – strength in community!!!!

I haven’t signed up, Lisa.

Clicking on a username and then ‘Find all posts by [name]’ will reveal their posts. I’m just trying to read what happens there.

Red Bubble admin have proven themself to be mature, patient and proffessional in this exercise.
Well done guys.
It’s tough at the helm

http://forum.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?p=103679&highlight=&sid=c3190063b2e1c1e187a4a5c9a028ab30#103679

can I just quickly say how humbled I was that so many of you stuck up for me on that image? what a great feeling to know that we are all looking out for eachother…

THERE’S NOTHING LIKE A COMMON ENEMY TO UNITE THE BLOOD THIRSTY BASTARD IN ALL OF US!!!!
AND I THOUGHT THE WAR ON TERROR WAS BAD…...
ANYONE WOULD THINK YOU PEOPLE JUST LOST A MILLION DOLLARS EACH!!!
POLYVORE IS A B-GRADE CUT AND PASTE HILLARY DUFF PROMOTIONAL SITE WITH LITTLE OR NO REDEEMING QUALITIES….. WHO FRIKKEN CARES!!!

While you’re there GODD
Can you smite them please

That’s not the point GODD. If no one tells these kids that what they did was theft – they won’t ever know … today Polyvore and then tomorrow?

A few people.

Maybe I’ll go find a mountain and through something off :) maybe I’ll feel better.

Throw

http://www.kaboodle.com/

Type redbubble into the search facility.

WHAT A GREAT IDEA!!!
LET’S THROW SHIT OFF OF CLIFFS!!!!
FUCK YOU GODD!!!!
YOU TYRANT!!!!

The issue is that the images here are very adequate for web use, and even that use shouldnt be automatically forfeited by the copyright holder. The mature business approach would be that Polyvore give their sales speil about adding exposure and contact RB so we could have an OPT in exercize. The problem is the extensive rights Polyview assumes are theirs as soon as someting is loaded to their site.

You could be seeing coffe mugs. desk caledars etc and other products which these images are adequate for. Then collaged together with 5 or six pieces they make a very formidable image. maybe 2kx2k adequate for a good 8×10 print or better if done correctly.

Ha ha ha ha he he he he…..tks for the laugh stringaling.

Actually I like their concept without the copyright problem. And it is interesting to see waht someone with a little design skill and no art skill can accomplish. The Target / Abercrobie thing probably isnt a problem, there the ART/PHOTO isnt the product, so if someone liked the photo they might dial up target and buy the product. Theyre not going to buy the photo, they already have it. Target probably welcomes the exposure.

WHAT WE NEED IS PITCHFORKS AND FLAMING TORCHES!!
WE COULD MARCH ON UP THERE AND HAVE US A HANGIN!!!
OOOOOOOH THE LORD LOOVES A HANGEEN … THAT’S WHY I GAVE YOU NECKS!!!
LOOSEN UP YOUR VOCAL CHORDS AND TIGHTEN UP YOUR PECS…..

Darren
Whats the matter with kaboodle I see two redbubble tshirts for sale.

Page 11 under Photo search…Coke a Cola??...thats just ridiculous…burn them!!!

Tell GODD, he wants to know. he he

Does anyone know about the kind of contract they have ? I don’t see how it can stand up.

Domenic, I’m just putting it there for viewing. I have no comment on Kaboodle.

Sorry for the typo in your name, Dominic.

HAha it’s fun to see how united everyone is, I’m pretty impressed if they are making money of my images because I’m sure having a hard time getting buy,
I am flattered that my work is worth stealing, can’t be half bad then:)
I just hope customers that buy my image from somewhere else end up finding me in the end and will buy something from me, I guarantee the quality will be better. f$##@k this copy protection stuff, time is changing how many off you in this list have copied mp3’s on their i tunes.
Haha, same here. I believe people will get sick of cheap copied shit and will come back for the real thing, really don’t waste your time getting all emotional about it just drop em a line, sew them for all I care, if that makes you happy, People that try to get rich quick, the one day wonders don’t impress me and are not worth my time. call me crazy but I’m one of those idealists that believes in karma:)
I still love browsing through redbubble, but will think twice about uploading large images again. have fun

I logged in, just to tell a polyvore member how good her layouts were, some of them do very nice “SETS” sort of like department store windows kind of thing.

they gave me this message.

Announcement
Dear Polyvore Members: we have received requests from members of redbubble.com to remove their work from Polyvore. We have complied with their request. Unfortunately, some of you may have also received unsavory messages from redbubble members. We apologize for this :( We are working on the problem with redbubble.com and will keep you posted with updates. Please feel free to contact us if you have any questions.

good stuff

I hope you people are proud of yourselves, there are probably a heap of traumatized children hiding under their beds right now.
Shame

I only emailed polyvore as their contract is shit that breeds this kind of behavior , adults and innocent children.

i just let coke know whats going on…HaHaHa…

I think this situations serves as a message and lesson on all accounts.

Hi Everyone,

We have received a number of DMCA notices from RedBubble.com members asking us to remove their work from Polyvore.

We have been complying with these requests. Sometimes this was not possible because the request did not specify which image(s) should be taken down, in which case we wrote back asking for more details.

At this point, we have taken down ALL redbubble.com images and are working on a way to block further imports from redbubble.com into Polyvore. Please be patient while we are making these changes.

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us or leave a message on my profile here.

Thanks,

Polyvore Team

ps: Thanks to those of you who were not rude when writing us or Polyvore members (some of whom are very young).

Well, rudness is never GOOD, but it is relative, there is a certain rudness in providing safe haven to piracy as well. Regardless of what value we might put on any artwork at Redbubble, there is an intrinsic value in protecting intellectual property rights. This is a slippery slope greased by sites like polyvore.com. Your membership requires 13 years or older, that may be somewhat young and a good time to learn respect for ownership.

Personally I like the site, and some of your members are doing great design work, and I stopped to applaud a couple. they also managed to do it with products not infringing on any intellectual rights. I assume (())Target et al DO WELCOME THE EXPOSURE.

i just saw this ,is this problem fixed cause im sure i have seen at least two of mine claimed to be someone elses

Dear Polyvore, Although many of your members are young, you can”t deny the fact that a big red dot attached to the redbubble name, went unnoticed…we are sure that you knew and did nothing because your contract makes you feel safe. In the future if you should want to play the poor ,poor children card maybe you should have more strict guidelines and provide all the sites that allow the copying of images….It would be in your best interest. TKS

As I mentioned, we have removed what we were able to find so far and we are implementing a feature to block future imports from redbubble.com. If you find something else that belongs to you and you would like it removed, please help us remove it by telling us the URL. Thx.

It might be a good idea to respond to the polyvore membership and mend our bridges, personally I wouldnt mind if someone asked permission to use my work for a particualar piece, the problem is once it gets over there it is in public domain, you know maybe polyvore ought to take a closer look so someone could give permission, like code it private use only, AND uneditable, that is it could be used as part of a set but not edited. PH and of course polyvore dosnt OWN EVERY ASPECT OF THE WORK FOR EVER.

If they made those provisions an artist might consider it reasonable exposure.

there is power in numbers and it makes me proud that we have all stood together on this one!! Shows how even though a lot of us are on different sides of the world..we can all act as one when its for something we believe in!!!!!! Im glad that we got the point across and accomplished what we set out to do…now we just need to try to take further steps so that it wont happen again!...and follow through to make sure that the problem is completely solved!! Woohooo redbubblers!

Also it isnt very grownup to hide your responsibilities behind the little kids.

Just a matter of course.
How much would you recieve for one of your images if it was required or used/sold on polyvore?
Is there a rate or royalty fee?
How much income are we talking about here?
I know this is not the point of this post, I’m just curious.

polyvore, are you Pasha Sadri?

I believe this journal entry should be a sticky on the Community Overview. Each member needs to see this, as many may be unaware.

Hi all!
I have just read what has happened! OMG! It goes to show the strength of the redbubble community! Bravo and hats off to all of you! :)

polyvore is a site where suposedly public domain like pictures from web sites like target are pasted together to create a collage, the real issue isnt the kids playing with your stuff it is the polyvore upload agreement that gives them free license to use your stuff as they see fit.

From their TOS:
”. . . you hereby grant us, our affiliates, and our partners a worldwide, irrevocable, royalty-free, nonexclusive, sublicensable license to use, reproduce, create derivative works of, distribute, publicly perform, publicly display, transfer, transmit, distribute, and publish the sets you have created using the Website”

So lets see artists, you can send a portifolio of thumbnails to china and get oils painted for $10 apiece. Forget that they only have a 400×600 image THEY HAVE THE WORK, and the right to create dirivatives. How would you like to see your design/art in Target gift shop, on paper towels, Kleenex boxes, etc etc.

They are making more then us !!!!!! and It’s our art.

Notice they can sub-license, the oly good thing there is it is non-exclusive so you can still make copies of your own stuff.

I dont know if they are making any money but they sure are salting the mine.

polyvore (Pasha Sadri?), are you aware of the numerous shutterstock images on your site?

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/thing?id=204666

The problem with intellectual rights is they are worthless if you don’t defend them at every opportunity, in this instance it wasnt costly, but what if this was a Russian or Chineese site as someone suggested, we wouldnt be going there to find our stuff. The thing about creating THINGS is often no-one wants them, then maybe they want them enough if they are free, then once in a while they will pay for them. If you dont protect yourself the once in a while that they pay for it goes away.

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/explore

There are shutterstock art.com AllPosters(zillions) janesko.com… not to worry, oh yeah I emailed them all with the exact search URL. I have been a software developer (retired) for 45 years and this intellectual rights issue has been an issue all my life. It is important that these issues be defended rigorously. Regardless of who is deluting your rights 13 or 66. I suppose if a 13 year old stole your car age is a good defense. come on. And if polyvore taught them how to steal your car? Property is property and all this whining cant change that. Some of us may not put that value on our work but it is our right to do so, and you dont have to apologize for it.

Good night gracie.

@Polyvore, I am really concerned about the fact that you have dissabeld your own tags, and thereof, you can no longer find new works that are being directed to your site.
I can proove very well that I can still upload pictures form redbubble to your site.
I just did it once again…
I chalenge you to take your own responsibility and find the works that I have uploaded… (as you would have to find lost works that are just still around on your site.) you are the one(s) in charge of your own network, it is for you to fix the mistakes that you have allowed to be produced here.
Perhaps you should also think about removing all works from other similar sites (but I think that it would be much easier on you to tell your members to upload their own products from their computer… If they have copyrights (like we do here) they must have it on their own computers.

When I started to be a photographer, I did it on my own time… I did not “steal” any equipment nor copyrighted materials from more experienced people.

How can we teach our children to be their own selves if we can’t even let them produce their own works?

What is the message you want to carry?

But let me tell you that if you can find my work, and you do remove it as soon as you do, that means that you can do the same with ALL of our works… this is YOUR responsibility.

It is disgraceful to see that you allow young people to upload “anything” to your site, and then wash your hands clean of it for letting the whole world use it.

I am very deceived. and I demand that you do no longer allow ANY directing from other copyrighted sites…

I am watching you, and there are a few people that are too… you just won’t always know who we are… nor which site we come from… deviantart, redbubble, photobucket… or any other sites… theft is theft, and it is not acceptable to profit (in any forms, and you sure do profit from getting original works to be played with to attract your clients.)

Please do not sing me a sweet song, for you haven’t even replied to half of us through our complaints…

I want to be kept updated here as to know what it is you are doing to ensure our rights.

Crokus Label, creator of the petition to which you didn’t really reply but to cut and paste your message from here to there.

We have a petition of 181 + yourself there, that states that WE want it all removed. It was your mistake in the first place. Fix it. Show the young ones on your site that one must take responsibilities for their own actions. It might help them trust adults, and learn to accept their responsibilities too.

Work on changing how your images are getting on your site(get them to upload from their own computers), because I promise to not give up the fight, and I am willing to go to any length to achieve the respect of our copyrights. Our copyrights MUST be respected anywhere. Redbubble memebers or not.

Copyrights are OUR rights as artists, anywhere we be.

Regards,

Crokus Label Photography, creator of the petition to which you should probably look at carefully, for we are many to ask you to remove our works, and not allow it to be posted on your site.

So I leave you to the cleaning up of your infringement mess, and I will be back in the morning to see if our petition was well understood.

(I too will be copying and pasting this elsewhere so everyone knows where all this is at now.)

Well, I got an email from a Pasha Sadri informing me that my abuse reports had been dealt with (and also thanking me for not being rude about it all, which makes me think that at least one person running the offending site has been reading this journal entry and its comments given that I’d made a remark about not being rude). And, of course, it looks like works from RedBubble have been removed (which doesn’t solve the wider problem, but…)

However, the really amusing thing is that they’ve nuked my account over there!

polyvore,

Your Terms Of Service are most unlikely to be understood by what seems to be your target audience.

same here dave .. my account has gone too … no responses from Polyvore to my complaints though and they were polite

Good night everyone, I hope things are better tomorrow, you were all fantastic. I really think we came together and did a good thing…..makes me happy :)

Dave: I replied to your email about your account. We did deactivate accounts that were sending messages containing expletives to our members. Your was mistakingly included in that list and we have reactivated it.

Deborah: sorry for not personally responding to your email (we received 100s and we tried to respond to everyone where possible). As I mentioned, we have taken down ALL RedBubble images. If there is something more, please help us by including a URL for the offending image so that we can investigate.

polyvore,

Do you intend on contacting Roger N Clark from www.clarkvision.com to clarify whether this image is being used with permission of its author?

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/thing?id=99839

http://www.clarkvision.com/galleries/gallery.large_format/web/colorado.fall-c09.30.2003.L4.9362b-700.html

http://www.clarkvision.com/copyright.html

Okay. Here is my last 2 cent.

First of all, it was great that everyone come together as a community and notified the Administrators of this concern. Polyvore have errored whether intentionally or in ignorance. I admire Peter and the administrators diplomacy in addressing the situation and seeking a resolution. Top form guys!!

Now, before anyone gets this wrong. I’m not supporting Polyvore at all. I’m just as horrified as the rest of you of what has happened.

However, I will give Polyvore points for wanting to make amends and come to this site to let us know what they are doing and intend to do. It takes guts, which shows their intentions incline towards apology. Since this so, I think we can safely say Polyvore will seek proper permission next time??

I haven’t come across other incidents such as this from Polyvore, so I’m inclined to cut them some slack this time only. We all err and we all learn. Since Polyvore are working with Red Bubble, I feel relieved about the situation.

ps: when I meant “cut slack”, sh8t, I was meaning “no cussing at them”. Not meaning to let them get a way with it. Polyvore need to fix ALL of the problems and will not be allowed to leave the table until it’s cleared.

The question was asked “how much would be charged” to allow images to be used for these purposes on polyvore.

1. Red Bubble images are not sold as stock images. They are sold as completed works such as prints, cards and tees, so the question is moot. There are no terms on RB to allow for uses such as the one on polyvore

2. Most stock sites such as istock, shutterstock, feature pics, jupiter images and stockxpert also have terms of service which limit the uses of images. As far as I know, images may not be redistributed for uses such as on polyvore from ANY stock site.

3. Any items that are trademarked or have trademark logos on them may also not be used in this manner – places like gap and old navy whose clothing carry a visible logo would not be pleased at this.

4. Images on web sites are not public domain. Public domain images are labeled as such. – when a website has any copyright notice (which you will find usually at the bottom most pages on the site) it means NOTHING can be used from that site on any other site unless explicit permission has been granted – this includes stores such as Target and Pier 1 – or any other shoop.

“Royalty Free” does not mean FREE. It might be wise of polyvore to explain to their members the difference between Public Domain and Royalty Free.

5. With a little research Polyvore could easily have provided a lists of websites from which it is safe to obtain materials for uses such as, however, even sites that offer images “free for use” usually have licensing terms.

I wrote a small note for another person who was illegally using images in her blog – but even places that offer blog licenses do not allow for the redistribution of images, which is precisely what is happening on polyvore.

Where To Find Legal Images to Use for Free

There are plenty of other sites which do allow free use of images than those in my note.

In the past two years I’ve spent a lot of time researching copyright information, but all polyvore had to do was list two or three sites with copyright info on it – how simple could that be?

Pretty sharp contrast between the polite, apologetic posts of the Polyvore mods and the disgracful posts some of you directed at the people on the other site. Classic BBOOR.

Well done guys, great lynching (although one wonders if a polite email might have accomplished the same goal.)

I’m going to repeat this, the issue is polyvore’s terms of service, they assume you own it and assume you can give them rights, the rights they assume are extraodinary including sublicensing and dirivatives, since your work is encluded a dirivative would be to remove all the other stuff and reproduce your work, this is not an issue of the digital image that isnt the esence of the work the essense of the work is the lines, color and coposition, the idea the spirit and the creative portion, all of that they have the right to as a dirivative of the work and of course the digital image as well.

No politeness isnt an issue and this isnt an oversite, they had over 50,000 images on their site at leaste that infringe on copyrights, and while I was always polite politness isnt a requirement when you are the injured party. nad if we hadnt shook up their user base they wouldnt have reacted as fast, if at all, is my guess. Dont loose track of the fact that they bult their users a tool that has no reason to exist excpt to move pieces from one site to another, if the user owned it it would be on their computer.

I doubt if the sites selling clothes and furniture are going to object, such as Target etc. But if they do poyvore is gone.

quick somebody call Opra W and Jerry Springer looks like we all need to make the cbs, nbc, abc ,bbs , news

they have over 25,000 uses of sets from target which could be 100,000 uses of images. But I think it is good for target, they are selling shoes not pictures of shoes.

Well, Pasha has put my account back. It appears that they had a lot of accounts opened and the vast majority of them were used to send highly abusive messages to users who had misused works found here. Understandably they removed the accounts in bulk.

Having being alerted to this they’ve put my account back and they’re also going back and, if they can, reinstating the account of anyone else who joined to complain in a sensible fashion.

It seems that a number of people here have managed to give the impression that RedBubble is mostly comprised of an angry mob, incapable of correctly dealing with copyright infringement.

That’s a shame. A real shame.

Dave-
you wrote:
“It appears that they had a lot of accounts opened and the vast majority of them were used to send highly abusive messages to users who had misused works found here”

I agree with you 100%...this is not the right way to handle the situation.

Seems to be a fine line between a supportive community and an angry mob.

I think the community spirit was fantastic when everyone got to know about the issue….
there had to be a quick reaction!
But there is a difference between putting pressure on someone else and
putting pressure on someone else in combination with using abusive words.

I havnt used an expletive is many years, yet consider this, they had this torrent of abusive Redbubblers, yet it took them 10 hours (?) to respond in a constructive way, while the situation heated up, I wrote to their feedback and never addressed a member, and basically told them they were a party to what was occuring and should be responsive to the complaints. I NEVER got a response so if their response was to delete accounts and stonewall then they are responsible for the escalation, a quick and correct response would have elliviated the situation the responsibilities have to lie where they belong the rest of this finger pointing is rediculous.

And OH YEAH dont cuss. Jeez. I have room for the cussers and the non-cussers just what happens when people get mad.

I stopped cussing years ago because the gal I was going out with would say you’re swearing at me, like that automatically means i’m wrong and she was right, so I removed that rediculous situation from my life, that is the swearing AND the gal.

EXAMPLES OF:
The Bravery Of Being Out Of Range

Rather Sad really

tfromredbubble said two minutes ago
Yes Fly like paper we are a beautiful team. We work well together especially when you have turned such a beautiful photograph into a piece of crap. You, polyvore and the thieves like you, aren’t going to know what have hit you. STOP STEALING OTHERS ART

robwith redbubble
robwith redbubble said three minutes ago
like your comments fly… they tell the world that you are totally untrustworthy, theft is theft is theft!!!!!

eleni s
eleni s said 5 minutes ago
you are a talentless piece of shit. you dont even have the courtesy to apologise to jessica. Well u know what, your version is nowere near jessicas standard. you may have copied this one, but u dont have any creativity to design your own work. All u guys are doing is creating cheap copies. who wants a crap hamburger when u can have steak. Grow up and stop acting like an immature school kid

suckbubbles
suckbubbles said 5 minutes ago
What a den of thieves. What a pack of rip off merchants. What a pack of unoriginal fuckwits. You tell them Jess. These fuckers need to be shut down, and fly paper, you’re shit

fly like paper ♫
fly like paper ♫ said 6 minutes ago
thank you! hmm…you guys make a beautiful team! ya!

CT-from-RB
CT-from-RB said 6 minutes ago
It doesn’t matter how many others stole it as well. If the copyright holder asks you to take down an image derived from her (stolen) work it is in your best interests to comply.

purplelove78
purplelove78 said 7 minutes ago
I feel for you honey…. Not creative enough to use your own images.. have to steal from REAL talented people… Very sad.. Oh and I might add you’ve killed this beautiful image!!

tfromredbubble
tfromredbubble said 8 minutes ago
Well little girl, Polyvore is stealing our artwork from Redbubble. They are in serious serious breach of copyright. I suspect there will be major legal ramifications. We from RB will just keep writing STOLEN ART all over your pieces until they get the hint.

fly like paper ♫
fly like paper ♫ said 15 minutes ago
uh, do you know how many others have used this or put this on thier favorites? plus, if its stolen…how come it was on Polyvore in the first place. now stop sending these messeges and get over it. ya know why? saying all of this wont chang ANYTHING hon(s). period

RL
RL said 17 minutes ago
Oh I’ll deal with it alright and so will you! You just told the whole world of internet that you stole from others too. This will look great in great trust me. Now you shut up and learn to spell right!

fly like paper ♫
fly like paper ♫ said 18 minutes ago
get a life. and grow up.

tfromredbubble
tfromredbubble said 19 minutes ago
You are not smart enough or artistic enough to use your own images You have sunk to the lowest of low. STOP STEALING ARTISTS WORK

fly like paper ♫
fly like paper ♫ said 21 minutes ago
shupup girls. if you dont like it, then deal with it, cas there is tons of other art work that i used as well…why dont you check those out to?

RL
RL said 26 minutes ago
You tell them Jess this is bull shit!!!!! We create the art and they steal our work I see a lawsuit coming big time. You haven’t heard the end of it and you damn better have money cause you’re gonna need it!!!!

J^{^^^a T^^}p
J^{^^^a T^^}p said 35 minutes ago
what the fuck do you people think you are doing with my image???? this is theft!!!!!!!!!!

Pissed off
Pissed off said 53 minutes ago
This is a stolen image. Polyvore have taken it without the artists permission. I suggest you remove it immediately.

Hmmmmmmmm
Take a good hard look at your self

For what it’s worth I’ve summed up my thoughts about the angry mob over here

see….that’s what I mean…..there is NO need to be abusive. Why would
you think you have to do that?

i think this is very interesting…now WE’RE the angry mob, even though that flylike paper person kept sending me messages along the lines ‘so what if i stole your image, get a life, i couldn’t care less…’
man, i’m over it now, problem seems to have been solved, but it’s not a nice feeling when one of your pieces has been ruined with cheap writing and stickers over it and the person having stolen and ruined it couldn’t give a crap either way…
angry? you betcha! we have people causing all kinds of havoc on RB, stirring, being rude and attacking people personally and all you guys care about is someone being rude to a person that just ripped off your images and doesn’t even have the decency to apologize for it…that’s just ….

Another topic, USA law no longer requires a© symbol since about 1985 I think, rights go to the creator automatically, what is the international and Au stance on this? Anyone know? Curious in that RB pages dont have© or rights reserved on them USA still uses© out of habit and good practice.

I’ve watched this post all day.

The illuminati and Betelnut have enlightened me.

FOR SHAME BUBBLERS THAT KIND OF FLAMING IS UNCALLED FOR

You don’t do it here so don’t do it elsewhere.

Jessica I believe in Rightous anger and don’t understand people that don’t. There is this certain SUPER rightuous stance that people take that can be very aggravating, like they are above the frailaties most of us suffer from, AND THEY JUST CAN’T UNDERSTAND WHY we are that way, is there really such a thing as a Z personality? Give me a good ALPHA every time.

JT, you have every right to be angry and noone is in dispute.

That said, was the personal abuse leveled at the user is in proportion to the “crime”. Noone knows the person at the other end of the line. It looks most likely like a young girl making shopping/graffiti fan art using your image as a background for some two-bit scrapbooking site. I just think the response was disproportiate, where a simple email to the mods over there seemed to do the trick.

Noone really covered themselves in glory and the backslapping that has followed in these journals makes me a little sick.

@DM
In terms of an Alpha, good matchup mate. 30 strong internet lynch mob versus 13 year old girls. Congratulations, you must be proud. If you wouldn’t say it to their face, don’t say it online. BBOOR.

@Jessica Tremp: I think you’re creating a false dichotomy there. It’s possible to actually be concerned about more than one thing.

the text copied and pasted was also very selective…someone seems to have completely cut out the comment I made, saying I was angry at the site for allowing my image to be used and was not blaming the girl for using it, saying she probably didn’t know any better and that I probably wouldn’t have known any better either…
really, very selective copy pasting action there…
mind you, that said, if i was walking along minding my business and someone ran up behind me and stole my handbag, i’d curse too, no matter how old/young the poor little person was…

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I think that it’s time to spare Lisa’s poor activity box and propose to draw a line under this post from here.

A lot has happened over the last 24 hours (rightly or wrongly – i’m not going into that because, like everyone else I do not have the full facts)

Maybe if anything else needs to be said it could be addressed on the forums.

Thanks to Lisa from bringing it to our attention – I think it’s time to leave you activity box in peace

The sad thing about people like illuminati and others like him/her
they are obviously trolls as they have nothing on the site. they have nothing to offer. they could even be regulars who sign to a different account to attack people without tanishing their own name…

damn, i just left a whole lot of posts on the other thread… before i saw the note at the very top to come here, lol.

This really emphasizes the need for a proper watermark…those who don’t want it don’t have to use it. It’s quite simple really.

@Dave Pearson

No Dave you’re quite right – just having a watermark won’t prevent anyone from using the image.

But people are unlikely to go through the huge effort that would be involved in removing a properly applied watermark. And if they don’t remove it, at least it would direct anyone viewing it back to us….

Considering pulling all my images at this point. Lack of a watermark is just not worth this crap…

@Dominic
In Australia, copyright applies from the moment an image (or painting or sculpture) or whatever is created. No copyright symbol or registration of the image is required. And the copyright for works created in the last few years (can’t remember the date, when international copyright agreements changed) , and now, will not expire until 70 years after the copyright owners death.

Can’t find anything there now…must have missed the boat.

@Sara Lamond: Perhaps you missed it but visible watermarks had made not one jot of difference to any misuse of images by the users of the site in question. If you look around you’ll see images snarfed that did have visible watermarks.

I did notice only 2 pieces from Artwanted, they have a right click implimentation, while that can be easily circumvented, it is the first thing people do and it warns that the image is copywrited, certainly discourages amatuers I think the evidence about that is pretty clear, @SARAH thanks for Info on AU copyright sounds the same as USA. @DAVE they had 1000’s of ISTOCKPHOTO with the watermark like maybe as much as 50,000 uses, they liked all those curlycues.

betternuts
if you read my comments I’ve been nothing but respectful of polyvore members but direspectful of their Terms of Agreement, are there 13 year old girls running the site?

I took the time to register and lay some good comments on a couple of polyvore members in the name of a redbubble member, why dont you do the same if you are so concerned with the RB image.

I would suggest that action for everyone who has participated in this thread, there are some pretty decent layouts over there and some great individuals.

AND
Polyvore took the time to point out to all their members that RB members were abusive, I have yet to see any alert to their members encouraging them to respect copyrights, or any stetement what it was REALLY about, pretty one sided perspective I would say, and consistant with their overall arrogance.

You are spot on jessica. there has been selective cut and pasting. yes we may have been alittle rude, but that is justified because they replied back to our polite messages in a rude manner. So dont dictate what we should and shouldnt say. If you showed the whole thread then you will see exactly why we were rude. and we werent speaking to a child, it was an adult.

I am referring to dave pearson and betelnut

@Dave Pearson – did you even read my post re watermarks? No, it doesn’t stop anyone from taking the image. YES it does stop them from getting any kind of a decent commercially useable image without a hell of a lot of effort. Again, optional watermarks would make many bubblers happy.

Polyvore, I am somehow deceived as how you have been avoiding me.

My account was deleted yesterday and reinstated today (I never have been abusive in my journey to copyright assertion. So I assume this is why you reinstated my account on your site.)

Now, I would have thought that you would have got something to reply at least in one of my messages/requests.

But even after sending you messages to your site, messages here and on the other thread here at RedBubble, and a link in your Bubblemail to let you know I had left you a message in both threads, you never respond to ANY of my writings… And that either in private.

I am still looking for explanations of how things will be handled from your site to stop this violation of copyrights.

Still waiting for you to give me a sign of life.

Crokus Label Photography.

No way to protect anything what can be reached on-line – watermarks may do more harm than good for providing a false sense of security, which does not exist on the world-wide web.

rB members might be interested in http://copyscape.com/
There’s a basic, free service (ten free searches per month), which may be OK for small site owners.

For a fiver or so per month Copysentry checks once a week 10 pages including the CONTENT, additional pages are a dime each.

Scanning the web for copies off your page’s content daily cost four times as much i,.e. 19.95 for ten pages, add one buck per day for additional pages to monitor.

Anyway, reading the info’ on plagiarism and copyright is time well spent for people who might be exposed to/have to fight intellectual property theft.

Plectrhelminthus, while waiting for Kirke’s paintings I am processing for her digitally to arrive at RB and fiddle further with her just budding RB portfolio.

Crokus: i just replied to your bubblemail.

As of last night, we have blocked imports from redbubble.com (because redbubble.com staff requested that we do so). You managed to import your image before our site software was updated with that change.

We have taken down your image and sets that you mentioned in your message. (Although, we did not understand why you uploaded something only to request to have it removed a few hours later).

As we have mentioned several times: we would be happy to comply with take down notices as long as they come from the person who owns the rights to the image and lists which URLs need to be removed. Please allow a reasonable amount of time for us to respond to your request (we usually respond in a few hours, but please allow 24 hours before you hit the panic button).

Also, please note that different people have different opinions about how their images should or should not be used online. We would be happy to service group take down requests as we did with RedBubble.com but please don’t send us request to take down all image from site X unless you are sure everyone affected shares your views. I hope this is not construed as lack of cooperation or respect on our part.

I hope I answered your questions.

polyvore,

Each individual has the right to construe your words as he/she sees fit. I trust you respect that.

Polyvore,

I have uploaded these to see how your site was “working,” and what will happen with my images, so I precisely know what and how to make sure copyrighted images are not still being used.

As for standing up for all artist that have their rights to copyrights of their own material, I can not stay there and do nothing about it, for copyrights are made to be respected, and the very big majority of your images were taken on the net “randomly” by users that do not have them rights; Therefore, I will maintain my position at asking that everybody’s copyrights be respected. If you do not remove them you might have to deal with the consequences of your “inactions”...

Most people form other sites can’t ask you to have their works removed, for they are not even aware that they have been imported there. It would only be fair to refuse to respect their copyrights because you believe that they should all come and warn you to remove stuff that they do not even know is on your site.

Copyrights are made for EVERYONE to be respected, and I do not believe that when you say that everybody has a different opinion on the issue, you seem to forget that copyrights are the same for everyone, and that includes your site. By refusing today to take care of the real problem, you expose yourself to lawsuits in a near or far future.

I must say that you have made some great efforts to remove to remove redbubble’s member’s works, and I appreciate this.

I would really appreciate if you would let us know how you will make your best so your members really understand what are copyrights, what consequences there might be to infringe them, and what changes you will/might make in a near future so all artists/photographers works be protect as best as you can.

Thank you for this first reply, I appreciate that you finally found time to respond to part of my concerns.

Crokus Label

Polyvore,

I have uploaded these to see how your site was “working,” and what will happen with my images, so I precisely know what and how to make sure copyrighted images are not still being used.

As for standing up for all artist that have their rights to copyrights of their own material, I can not stay there and do nothing about it, for copyrights are made to be respected, and the very big majority of your images were taken on the net “randomly” by users that do not have them rights; Therefore, I will maintain my position at asking that everybody’s copyrights be respected. If you do not remove them you might have to deal with the consequences of your “inactions”...

Most people form other sites can’t ask you to have their works removed, for they are not even aware that they have been imported there. It would only be fair to refuse to respect their copyrights because you believe that they should all come and warn you to remove stuff that they do not even know is on your site.

Copyrights are made for EVERYONE to be respected, and I do not believe that when you say that everybody has a different opinion on the issue, you seem to forget that copyrights are the same for everyone, and that includes your site. By refusing today to take care of the real problem, you expose yourself to lawsuits in a near or far future.

I must say that you have made some great efforts to remove to remove redbubble’s member’s works, and I appreciate this.

I would really appreciate if you would let us know how you will make your best so your members really understand what are copyrights, what consequences there might be to infringe them, and what changes you will/might make in a near future so all artists/photographers works be protect as best as you can.

Thank you for this first reply, I appreciate that you finally found time to respond to part of my concerns.

Crokus Label

domains by proxy just hides the real registrants name. You’d have to sue domains by proxy to get the real information of the domain holder….

Hello,
I was contacted by Darren from redbubble.com about a copyright
violation of one of my images:
http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/thing?id=99839

I sent polyvore a bill for $39,600 for use of the image for the last
3 months.

The site clearly encourages the use of images from other web sites,
which in most cases is violation of copyrights. The site should be shut down. I’ll join in any lawsuit if anyone is organizing one.

Roger Clark
Clarkvision.com

$39,600

HAHAHAHA

Good one RogerC!

Nice one Roger!!

the site no longer has anything on it tagged Redbubble! Guess they got the message or are being sneakier about it. Good pick up funkyfaced.

I would just like to apologise to Dave Pearson. I wrongly named him in one of my messages above. Dave i am so sorry.

No worries eleni, easy enough mistake to make in a thread of conversation this long.

But thanks for clarifying things. Much appreciated.

....wakes up....what have I missed? :-0…unbelievable…well spotted funky and thanks RB community for keeping eye out…

well I told RB from the start 2 days ago when I joined and saw the door left wide open for theft that something was going to go screwy for us and got a replay that more or less said we think our huge preveiws are so small they can’t be used I think this site is going to go rapidly downhill unless something is done, simply making the images into flash files will help

I think if red bubble is leaving the door open then they may be liable for copyright infringement also. I thought there was an ability to set a watermark, however, I think that is the American smugmug site. I guess it’s why, for the fee charged, I’m a bit reluctant to put up my top stuff.
Ramack

Does anyone know if there are any lawsuits in the works? Would any US photographers want to lead the charge with a class action lawsuit against Polyvore? Between RB, Flickr, Etsy, etc there are thousands of people being affected and the only way to stop it is with a lawsuit that will bankrupt the parent company and force the closure of the site.

People on Flickr are discussing a lawsuit now. http://www.flickr.com/groups/968666@N20/discuss/72157612275813281/
There is also a petition to shut down Polyvore. Already 919 people have signed. I encourage everyone who has had their images stolen by Polyvore to sign:
http://www.gopetition.com/online/24378.html

In addition, people have begun sending invoices to Polyvore at copyright@polyvore.com
I think this is an excellent idea and I will begin doing the same. For example, this art of mine that they’ve stolen:
http://www.polyvore.com/lindas_rambling_other_things_fairy/thing?id=4628780
They have used the image 3 times. I charge US$500 for each single use license of my image. I would therefore invoice them $500×3, so a total of US $1500. for these 3 illegal uses of my art. You may email your invoices to them at copyright@polyvore.com

check out Polyvore’s Official blog on copyright where they openly promote image theft and taunt owners whose images have been stolen and who go to their blog in the hopes of getting a bit of justice … instead they get abuse heaped on them.
http://blog.polyvore.com/2008/01/important-note-about-copyright.html

seems it’s not only redbubble users who have their works stolen, redbubble users also steal works. like the “good friend” no-doubt (http://www.redbubble.com/people/no-doubt/t-shirts/3700608-1-happy-lego)
apparently it’s OK for him to steal my works and sell them here. not blaming redbubble users or it’s staff, it’s just with the internet today everybody easily can do this things here or in other sites.
in my philosophy, I’ve accustomed my self to the creative copy rights (http://creativecommons.org/), I feel fine with ppl using and altering my works, with the proper reference and approval. even found this exactly work of mine in other sites, but never had seen someone taking profit by selling them.

btw, this is the original one: http://7grims.deviantart.com/art/no-smiles-36227273

wow.
i use both redbubble and polyvore and i don’t think many of you get the diference between the two sites at all. i’m not an apologist for net theft but there is some mega over-reaction going on here too. no-one is making money from polyvore except maybe topshop! the way it is set up each item is clearly attributed with the intention of giving it exposure – though obviously his is aimed at commercial exposure for products. now, i get that some of you are just sour with the whole notion of mashup culture and don’t want your work anywhere on the net but where you put and that’s your call of course. i also agree that sites like redbubble, flickr, deviantart and so on should probably be locked out of the polyvore clipper BUT jease loiuse it’s not the fall of babylon..
just my tuppance :)
xx

I have noticed that Polyvore uses the same ngincx server that Redbubble does… perhaps even the same hosting service… Perhaps there is something going on here that RB is not telling us about.

That said I have no idea how to navigate polyvore or what the site is even about so doubt I would know where to look for any of my images there…

Thanks fo rthe heads up though! Not nice if RB are seeling on traffic witghoui consulting us first about it!

Sorry – I missed the footnote.. =)