DrayeArt

Maybe this site is not for you.

“It just keeps coming, like some Twilight Zone episode starring Pauly Shore”
haha. nice one.
in some ways i agree with you, but at the same time i dont. occasionally everyone comes accross a pic on this (or other) sites that makes you think “did they up load this for the sake of it or do they honestly think it was good?” (yeh ok, probably a few are mine too!!)
its almost like the initial auditions for australian idol (i hate that whole concept by the way, bands should be formed in a garage and get a kick start at the local pub!), some people honeslty think they can sing in public when clearly they should just keep it to the shower. but amongst all of those people, there are a few with talent just looking to get a foot in the door. same goes here. everyone has to start somewhere, and you only learn from your mistakes. i also think eveyone is often too nice, they point out the good, but dont provide any constructive criticisim about an image, which often makes improving on your work difficult.
interesting point you make tho.

I will admit the gulf between Tee Shirt designers, illustrators and writers with Photographers has been widening over the last couple of weeks. You can see it in the comments, especially after competitions close.
There is a lack of either in the others comment boxes.
The biggest difference I can point out as obvious are the remarks.
Photographers comments go like this
Nice
Thanks
Cool image
Thanks
Love this
Thanks

Where on the other side of the fence there seems to be more interaction.
Only my opinion
Some of the photos are brilliant (I love fibble at the moment) but I just don’t go there very often.

I guess I’m one of the more elitist then because I agree and I think this site IS for you because frankly as much as I love RB, I wouldn’t be staying here if it gets flooded by crap photos.

The fact is it’s all nice and air fairy to say “art is in the eye of the beholder” but I seriously doubt anyone looks at the very very average point and shoot photos that get posted and HONESTLY considers them art.

There is nothing wrong IMO in Redbubble promoting quality art. I really do believe we can all tell the difference, even if it’s not our particular taste.

lol!
Funny you should bring that up, i know how you feel!
Really!
To see really badly painted art next to my digital images is disturbing!
I cannot wait until we are all pigeon holed into tiny categories! hehehe ;p!

I think everyone has a different opinion of what they like & dislike – there are photographs & art & t-shirts that I find distasteful, or just plain think are terrible. So, I don’t click on them – I look past them. However, there have been things on the “popular” page that I didn’t care for so that must mean that not everyone shares my opinion. There is something here for everyone, and I think that is what makes it such a great shot.

My suggestion would be if you really loath all of dog, birthday, vacation photos, start your own site & only invite the true artists…...otherwise, I am afraid you are going to have to ignore the pictures you don’t like with the rest of us!

haaa haa ha a person who is willing to get this out there…

this was my post stirring the hornets nest... I don’t think that people’s COMPREHENSION of some topics really comes accross but there are some interesting points there none the less…

and Michelle422, this site is for everyone… before we start telling people to go away for their opinions, spare a thought for those who have watched this site evolve from the beginning…. we have to keep the tone correct or it WILL turn into one of those OTHER sites that you all seem to be leaving and arriving here from…

the difference is that some people actually study these disciplines, it’s hard to appraise an amateurs opinion on something when you know everything you are taught about your own career point to the other way…

So maybe that should be the next debate… THE ACADEMICS OF ART and the AMATEUR PERSPECTIVE… watch this space…

I apologise for adding a brief comment which apparently needs elaboration. (Brevity is unusual for me.)

I was not telling anyone to leave the site. And, I have been watching and reading as this site has evolved just as you have kathleen.

I said that this site may not be for Joseph because, clearly, he was hoping that the quality of the photography would be much more professional, artistic, or whatever serious photographers would have it be.

I emphasise with his wishes. But I have a suggestion.

Why not ask the wonderful Red Bubble people if it is possible to have people elect to place their photos in either an “art” section or a “candid” section.

I was most happy when the journal area was overhauled into “writing” and “blog”. Chaff from the wheat.

I will be the first one here to send my photos across to the “candid” section because I joined this site to upload written works and then thought I could add some photos. Why, because I could and also because I like them.

funny how some people think that their work is better than others.. or to ridicule those who arent so good in whatever art they choose to play with..

We all started somewhere.. taking photos of crap.. then with encouragement.. we grow.. we get better. No fat chance of that, if people here or else where just shoot you down..

i appreciate and encourage EVERYONE to take a photo everyday.. and just be creative.. just to DO SOMETHING.. Just remember, each crap image/art tha gets put up here.. is ONE LESS alcohol drink.. one less moment infront of the tv..

and make sure you NEVER add me to your watchlist – cuz i will DROWN your list with new works that wouldnt be up to your standards…

Webgrrl, no one is suggesting people stop taking photos or that people shouldn’t grow and learn.

But look at it this way. Say I’m a beginner who only bought her first camera last week. Is there a need for me to upload on THIS particular site or could I find a more appropriate site and not have the assumption I should SELL just because I have a camera.

I honestly don’t see why Redbubble has to turn into webshots. I think people SHOULD be encouraged to turn a critical eye on their own work so that they CAN improve and offer their BEST for sale, not just whatever came out of the camera.

It’s not for one to judge their work, it’s for others!!!!

There’s a few threads along this vein lately, and if I knew how to upload mine (that has 2 replies) I would tag it here.

Why do I upload my images on RB – even though they are the same happy snaps and candid shots and macro shots as every other amatuer photographer?
1. this is obviously my latest fad, and not sure how long it will last for before I tire of uploading images.
2. I’m enjoying watching how my very basic skills are improving – I haven’t moved my images around, because I’m using my profile as a timeline of how I have “improved” my limited skills.
3. I’m looking at the world around me in a different light – I don’t always carry the “compact” camera around with me, but I am appreciating my surroundings with a very different eye – and that is a good thing, I would have thought.
4. And one day, just maybe someone will come across my images and tell me where I’m going wrong, so that I can stop uploading the mediocre stuff that people (including me…) find offensive.

Really, DrayArt, it’s great to have the debate continue – but we are all different, we have different tastes, and I really can’t wait for RB to include a tab for the “mediocre, happy-snaps” so that I too can move my images there.

Happy snapping! ; )

I have sold some work here, and recently I sold a piece to someone here that has great photography, the piece that was bought from her was something that i didn’t get a lot of responses on and would have thought it would be one of my least desirable pieces. The question is still “what is art” and the answer will always belong to each person that sees it.

I am not suggesting that people should not comment or even upload, sorry if I seem to be saying that… cause I am not…

what is here is a site that is to nurture and encourage, being mixed in with the commercialism of selling and also the fact that there are ‘professional artists’ here amongst the ‘amateur artists’ here etc. and being studies in that area encourages self appraisal before unleashing work on the critics… I wouldn’t be here either if it weren’t for the beautiful people that invest their time in my work.

the conundrum is that, I come here for art and writing and sometimes a photograph will catch my eye. How do we sort it when everything goes to the gallery..

RedBubble don’t make money unless the artists make money… that is reiterated by them elsewhere I think.

but…

how can potential investors sort through everything to find what they want if they don’t have anything necessarily specific in mind. one could say that the gallery could be segregated into different categories

but…

that means each individual should find the same definition of what is art (which is never going to happen) as they upload their images… I doubt some people actually understand what ‘not safe for work means’ cause I got my filter on and there are still artists who upload nudity for the public view, knowing about that function (excluding any language or cultural barriers that is)... but they choose not to and that shows me that they don’t really care about the perception of their work from some people, they want it to be thrust in as many people’s faces as possible regardless of the request to have the filter on on the part of the viewer. that’s just me.

If you seriously want to sell, you need to understand that people will only buy for certain reasons… as graphic designers we are trained to technically produce art for the advertising sector or… how to make a piece of art that will psychologically encourage people to part with their hard earned cash…

but …

the artist makes a piece of art to highlight something they are thinking about or because they wish to experiment with technique…

it probably never can be solved but good to talk about…

My concern is this… If the gallery here becomes like that of other sites that apparaently are losing patrons for not selling etc. then how does RedBubble maintain this space for people like us… who upload to share, who upload to keep being creative because that’s what we love… it is up to each member to preserve the business of the bubble so we can have a free site that lets us rant and rave and be ourselves.

and by thinking that way, I can be more self critical about the crap (and it is crap) that I put up… I am thinking about furterhing my marketing appeal beyond redbubble only to help them with their marketing and vice versa…

well, I’m justatryhard…

I think the beauty of redbubble is the framing and printing service,
whereby it is an easy way to get a good quality framed or laminated
print of one of your works – and delivered!.
That may mean that people can post images that others may not see
as worthy, but the artist may post so they themselves can order a print
or a card etc to give to family etc. I know i will be posting Tshirts that will
be of no or limited interest to others, but i will order them myself -and then admittedly take them down again.
This may not be the intention of the site but I think it is what is going to happen. I also think there is no way of stopping images being uploaded unless
there is a moderation panel – and I don’t think anyone wants that.
One mans trash is anothers treasure. What i like is not necessarily what someone else likes.

and make sure you NEVER add me to your watchlist – cuz i will DROWN your list with new works that wouldnt be up to your standards… Webgirl You make it sound as if it’s done intentionally. “It’s not for one to judge their work, it’s for others!!!!”-Robert Elliott Of course it’s up to you. If you don’t have any restraint or self-judgement, why should the onus be put upon me and other artists. I’m not here on this site, or any other, to hone my critical skills. I’m here to display my work, get the word out, share tips, learn, etc. None of that can be done, with a never-ending posting competition.

markhiggins, if the main use of this site, for you, is to have T’s and prints made for family and friends, why not just go to your local print shop, and save a step?

If you want to use Redbubble as a printing service it is possible to simply hide works from others and do ALL your printing needs that way.

Just press “hide work from others” when you upload the photo or edit it later?

I believe this “issue” of so called happy snaps is a result of Redbubble’s increasing popularity and is not now ever going to go away, but I’m sure being a web hosting service for family and pet photos was never in their original plan. I also thing that ultimately the site will suffer because buyers won’t wade through 40 pages of “crap” to find some art which is what they’re after.

My criteria for posting stuff up here is “would someone else maybe hang this on their wall?” and more lately “would someone wear this”, as 6 of my last 8 uploads have in fact been t-shirts(something I would never have contemplated doing before joining the Bubble) and the last photos I took were to make a t-shirt and to show off my bubble purchases! Maybe the answer would be to have a “Redbubble Flickr or Webshots”, I don’t believe that’s necessary with the number of photo hosting sites already in existence.

One answer would be to “vet” incoming members, much the way that you have to produce a set number of accepted images for Shutterstock. This has its downside though because of that age old question of what exactly is “art”. Far too subjective to EVER be considered as selection criteria methinks!

I would like to think that my work is improving, (can’t just say photographs anymore!) and hey – thanks to Danny – I’ve every written something which could be interpreted loosely (very loosely) as poetry, due to my involvement here and I hope that people can be encouraged to “self regulate”!!

Thanks Nat …. I had thought about mentioning the “hide work from others” button!!
Then drowned in my own ramble!!

there’s a similar thread here
too.. similar but different

When you click on your bubble it says “buy your art work as greeting cards or buy a bunch to give to family and friends” happy snaps or not if someone wants to take a family portrait in bad lighting and buy 10 of them, I’m sure RB would not complain.

i am sure when RedBubble eventually start their Premium accounts – where we will have to pay $$ to have extra amount of space etc, that will stop all the ‘happy snaps’, except those who pay of course..then you can do wotever u want with your allocated space, yes??

someone told me this one time…

“Money talks, bullshit walks”

markhiggins – I too find this site handy to have t’s and cards printed up – the quality is excellent, and the service second to none.

I upload my mediocre images for me. With the 1,000’s of images on here, the chances of someone coming across my images is very small.

When I look at what images, or tshirts, have been uploaded, if I like the preview, then I click and view it, if I really really like it, then I post a comment (“Wow, nice image” etc). If I don’t like the look of the preview, then I don’t click it at all. If I see a preview, that to me, is sooo bad, I click it, have a laugh, then move onto the next one. With some effort, you too can do this, then the offensive images/photos won’t seem so bad.

But really DrayArt, you’re just playing devil’s advocate here, fuelling the debate, taking us all away from creating more mediocre images (in fact, took another macro flower in between typing this, and thought of you as I did it – so without realising, you’re inspiring me to do more).

I think that the fact that RB allow ameteurs and try hards (that includes me) to upload their art and photography…good or bad on this site, means that everyone is welcome.

To all those talented artists and photographers who dislike some of the work uploaded beacause it is not up to their standard, just keep pressing the little ‘next’ button on the bottom right hand side of the screen and move on. It’s only takes a one finger muscle, surely that can’t be too difficult.

PS Some of the ones that boast that their work is exceptional, I’ve had a look and it doesn’t necessarily appeal to me. Just as markhiggins says… one man’s trash is anothers treasure.

It seems what some people are actually forgetting is that we as members don’t own or run this site. We have been invited to join the site and it is up to the owners and those who run the site to decide whether they are happy for the so-called “inferior” photographers and artists to upload their images or not. I don’t see where the problem lies. If you feel some of the images on this site are lowering the standard of, or swamping your superior work, then you have a choice – stay with it or find a better site where only work of “high quality”, as judged by yourselves, is acceptable. But having said that, perhaps it might work to have a section for the “happy family and pet” snaps. You will still find however, that many people will not see their work as such and will still be uploading to sell, because they believe their images are able to be sold. In addition, I don’t believe it is only the “superior”, professional work that sells.

I agree !

but the gallery is unchanging… it has something perhaps to do with the investment of time of one discipline versus the other… how prolific can a painter be compared to a digi artist compared to a photographer, traditionally thats why traditional artists charge thousands for original pieces… depends on the product, depends on the artist… this is unconventional sales technique for traditional artists, but even the photogrphers need to sell a puss load to have personal benefit here…. ???

webgrrl, you know how to work this stuff, i’ve watched the strategy… hee he

i like that line drayeart.. with a never-ending posting competition

I do understand what you are saying, I just don’t see what can change.

Yeah ditto Whirligig. Who gives a toss?

sorry, i dont consider anything inferiour, my point is.

I used to be able to find plenty of stuff I liked (regardless of technique or skill), now its harder or more scarce… one or the two…

WHY???

I am curious not critical… dont want categories but what can you do but talk about it to alleviate this…

just cause some feel certain ways dosnt mean we cant have a say does it… we all love rb… just are afraid it will become something that I don’t respect…

WHY IS EVERYONE LEAVING THOSE OTHER SITES TO COME HERE ?

HOW DO WE STOP THERE BECOMING HERE AND VICE VERSA…

REMEMBER CURIOUS NOT CRITICAL

Maybe if we heard from RB more often we wouldn’t feel in the dark about all of these issues.

It’s funny what will upset the masses. If it doesn’t apply to you then why would you be upset?... unless of course you are the one posting ridiculous crap :-D In which case you should maybe stop all the angry typing and start deleting the horrid photos that you spam us with on a regular basis. If your work is any good and your a quality photographer then it shouldn’t bother you in the least.

I tried this very subject in the forum “Soapbox” and got slammed for making the simple statement that there are “bad” photographs on this and other sites. And yes, I got the “beauty in the eye blah blah blah” speech. I actually listened to some criticism from one of the members of RB until I checked out his/her “art.” It was done with color pencils and crayons for crissake! Southpark is drawn better.

However, there is something to be said for commercial photography, if it is good. The well framed and properly focused pretty pink flower sells cards and prints. The rustic looking barn, if not bleeding sepia, may sell some wall “art.”

You can market your work to the masses (flowers and kitties) or you can produce your art for art’s own sake and let it gather dust. The buyer makes the final decision about what is good and not good.

If that is the case, the buyer has decided I am completely shithouse :)

:-)) not you too?

Yup, even with my expansive and contrived portfolio of work :)

Ha ha but not the judges ECFTBH :)

I have seen this colored pencil crayon artist and the work is awesome in my eyes, maybe she should take to photography and go to her backyard. I hope she will take into consideration the lighting and the shadows and of coarse make sure her close-ups are clean before she posts them. Hmmmmm….. and ECFTBH… aside from all the terrible controversy your stuff is fantastic and everyone says so too :]

I certainly hope you are not insulting me funkyfacestudio. And you have no idea who I am talking about regarding the crayon artist.

You are insulting another artist here and thats not cool and why would you think i was talking about you ? I’m just making a statement that peoples art is their art and if it makes them happy they should keep doing it ,they cant very well just start doing something else.

I’m pretty sure that funkyfacestudio was stating that excellent work has been done with color pencils and crayons. The medium is irrelevant if the talent is present.

And what’s with all the people commenting on this that refer to their own work as novice, mediocre, amateur, etc.? If you regard your own work as less than good then it translates that way.

I was sarcastically referring to a comment DataShine had made about my work yesterday elektricbunny. It’s all good.

Now, now, now ladies. Please tuck in the claws. Nothing better than watching a cat fight… I thought this was supposed to be fun.

And I do like and respect Kate’s work in general . . . I think/hope she knows :-)

call me elitist if you wish but i initially joined red bubble because it was a forum to showcase Australian artistic talent….it was a small but creative community….I’m not so sure now about the exponetial growth of the site tho there are many very talented artists with profiles there is alot of dross to wade through to find them….and I wonder how the ” art buyers” manage to see anything that is not on the front page of the site….

they cant very well just start doing something else.-funkyfacestudio , Of course they can. The fast food industry is very easy to master.

DrayeArt, you made a nice comment about one of my photographs two days ago, so I put you on the “watchlist.” Want me to remove you?

It’s cool DataShine, I’m a tough cookie :)

The “showcase Australian artistic talent” was also a misconception that I had when first signing up. Things have changed I guess.

But if they love it , someone else might love it too. same goes for my work your work and everyone else.

Also, secretly I happen to agree with you about that image :)

Um, excuse me DrayeArt but working the deep fryer is a lost art.

This really is a pointless conversation with endless opinions, when it all gets solved let me know.

Yeah, I burned myself so many times working at McDonalds as a teenager. I was master of emptying the stinky bins though.

If it wasn’t for people like me putting up shit images, you lot would have nothing to debate.

This won’t be solved, don’t worry about it, get out there and get creative for heaven’s sake!!!

: )

I agree with dabble ;-X

I would but I am in a model drought. Who wants to model for me?

pick me pick me!! I can’t take photos so I may as well be on the other end of the camera

ha ha ha ha

DrayeArt, you made a nice comment about one of my photographs two days ago, so I put you on the “watchlist.” Want me to remove you?-Helen Bascom It’s doubtful that I’ll be uploading anything new for some time , now that I know it doesn’t get seen on this site. ” excuse me DrayeArt but working the deep fryer is a lost art.”elektricbunny As long as it loses some of the dead wood here, it’s fine by me.

DrayeArt, I think you should give up the art biz and look into puppeteering. You clearly know how to work the strings of the Pinnochios ‘round here :)

After all this, you’re not getting rid of me that quickly DrayeArt. I just like to piss people off. It’s all the crappy stuff that makes the good stuff stand out. You should be thanking us… hehehehehe

LMAO You know, I thought about quitting too, DrayArt. But after I got busted by the “play nice” police I’m going to stay here and upload crappy photos just to eel how many people comment “Nice Capture.”

Uh oh—typos.

It’s all the crappy stuff that makes the good stuff stand out. You should be thanking us… hehehehehe-skeeter How does anything stand out when it gets buried, Pinnochio?

Are you a mocking bird ?

No, he’s the puppet master

Every time he says something he sounds like Scar from the lion king and then he’s got that mocking bird thing going on.

What about a Paintographer ?

These discussions always become personal attacks on the artist who questions the quality of work on this site. It’s kind of like the school yard bully who beats up of the good looking, rich and smart kids because he’s fat, poor and stupid.

DrayeArt made a valid point (albeit a bit confrontational), and this is HIS blog afterall. Then I get attacked and told to go to my backyard because I pointed out that the critic of my photographs was less than qualified, IMO, to blast my work.

Why is it soooooo painful for the members of this site to accept that there are some really terrible photos and very bad artistic works posted here? Okay now, have a go at me. I’m going to my backyard to take some poorly lit, badly framed, out of focus, shit photos to upload.

what an overwhelming list of post, very heated conversation and interesting debate.

Have to somewhat agree with DrayeArt about the overflowing images of hm… so called happy shots, but I just save myself by no longer checking the recent images, and straight to popular pages, that seems to do its jobs by sorting out the nice shots from the not so nice ones.
This is also another reason why watchlist is very important, in the old days I don’t really pay much attention on the importance of watchlist, because there are few of us in RB, but now I realize that the people whose work we love got lost easily in the flood, so everytime i see something i like I have to quickly put them in my watchlist.

re-reading my post, i realize im not making sense.. gaaaahhh…im so bad at this.

sorry…

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t mean all. but there seems to be a lot of people here who take themselves to seriously. Everyone should go outside take a big breath of fresh air then laugh out loud. So long folks

Myabe it is RB themselves you should be talking to as they have links on so many webpages to come join their site, it doesn’t say anywhere you have to be a known artist or anything before they let you join. I thought it seemed like a nice community place to be, perhaps I was wrong.

I’m a photographer, she said as she ducked. Heaven help me, I shoot barns and flowers and butterflies and landscapes and people. I hope they are not crappy shots but who knows what is in the eye of the beholder? This is the first time I’ve ever seen photographers slammed like this on any site I’ve joined. I’m hoping this is some kind of joke.

Peace

Helen, I’m really curious….....what is wrong with pencil and crayon as an art medium to draw with? I have no idea which artwork you are referring to, and frankly I don’t care, but as far as I’m concerned, pencil and crayon are as valid a medium for drawing with as any other. I even like to draw with sticks dipped in ink, so no matter what the end result, in your opinion would that render the work invalid, or would that make it crap?

If you believe your work is good (and I believe some of it is), then why do you waste so much negative energy ridiculing people who are being kind, instead of putting that energy into showing us your best. You are only disadvantaging yourself, and hurting people in the process.

DrayeArt, I’m a little surprised by your harshness – I didn’t see you in that light previously. I’d be very interested in seeing your personal rundown on why you think your work has more credibility than anyone else’s that you may not appreciate or respect.

Well I am not sure about bulging and warping hollywood actors as art, although I do see it as art as well as a good photo of somebodys cat. Sometimes looking at a cat or dog photo can stir more emotion in me than looking at a bulged, warped out and twisted hollywood actor…but that’s just me and I’m sure there’s people out there who just love that kind of art. For me…being a graphic designer/photographer/painter/drawer/sculptor…art comes in so many forms that I have no real opinion on it, but I do believe these are all good things to discuss and hear everyones point of view on the subject of art and photography My TWO CENTS .

Thumbs up from me Cliff

Born in New Orleans, Joseph Draye is a self-taught artist, creating realistic portraiture since the age of 4. He supported his art career by building houses in the daytime, while working on paintings at night. He has worked as a free-lance sports illustrator, and portrait artist. He also worked briefly as a police artist. He favors surrealism in his paintings, and cites Paul Delveaux and Joe Coleman as his current favorite artists. He has had numerous one-person and group shows thru-out the south east United States. He has two children, and is currently single. He currently resides in Miami, Fl. Joseph Draye is currently Administrator for Art Rhino, an art forum/gallery community at http://picassopete.proboards98.com/
A larger body of Joseph Draye’s work can be viewed at FoundMyself gallery at http://www.foundmyself.com/gallery/index.php?cat=12079 ArtRemains at http://drayeart.artremains.com/ SurrealArtists.org at http://www.surrealartists.org/Gal318_Delveauxmaycare_s_Gallery.asp EroticArtists.org. at http://www.eroticartists.org/Gal2517_Delveauxmaycare_s_Gallery.asp

Turns out you do more than bulge eyes on actors. Who knew? ;)

Whirligig, there is absolutely nothing wrong with pencils and crayon IF YOU ARE GOOD WITH IT. If you work is good, then it doesn’t matter if you draw with a turd, it will still be good.

I never said that I thought my work was is good. I get photos rejected at another site from time to time. That’s the problem with RB. They don’t reject anything. Even work that is too small to sell or of too poor quality to reproduce even as a card gets posted. If it’s bad it should be rejected, mine or anyone elses. And who makes this decision? Why RB administrators, or qualified artists and photographers that they employ for that purpose.

OK everyone, about an hour ago, I wrote that we should all get back to doing what we love doing – creating stuff, whether that be with sticks, crayons, paint, camera or whatever.

DrayeArt – you’ve certainly stirred the pot and got everyone hot under their collar. We’re all being precious, because what we upload is our personal selves being judged by those who chose to click on our image or not.

Photoeyes, I’m seeing all this as a bit of a joke, and perhaps even humour not being quite “understood” by all.

Cliff – I agree with you – a good photo/image may simply be the one that stirs that emotion in you – and the same image/photo isn’t going to work with everyone.

Aren’t we done yet?

Time we went out and got creative – GO!

I agree with Cliff.

If the main use of this site, for you, is to have T’s and prints made for family and friends, why not just go to your local print shop, and save a step?
Because this is easier. I don’t have to go anywhere! It comes to me.
It’s not the main use of this site though, just a bonus. If i want to make a few cards
for a special occasion, i can upload and get them printed for a couple of bucks.
(I am uploading a T tomorrow – better be quick if you want it though, it will only be available for one day only :)

What I currently have on this site is about 1/10 of my body of work. Since this is basically a litho and T site, I chose to put my most commercial and populist work on it. I did not upload sketchs and rough work from my youth, I did not upload my darker surrealist work, I did not upload work that I dabbled in other mediums. I uploaded work I felt had the best chance to sell in this type of arena. I used my judgement and self-restraint. If I just wanted to flood the site, I’d make 3 pots of coffee, sit up for 5 days and flood bomb this place like it’s never been done before.

Hmmmm so you are Extremely talented and versatile . I took a peek and loved “Anchored”, Tongue Oars”, Prone and many more. I think it would be nice if you kept that little shoe story close by though …... :]

Little shoe story?

So when you commented on one of my blog’s were you trying to tell me my work is Sh*t???
All i have to say is one person’s trash is another person’s treasure.

lol – got everyone going DrayeArt, love it !

It’s a dirty job, but somebody has to do it.

Yes, there are crap photos on this site. Some crap art as well.

The thing is, while you’ve managed to be very abrupt and highlight this point, I haven’t seen a solution from you, though with the amount of chat here and in your identical forum post I may have just missed it. If so, my bad.

I would have thought if you couldn’t draw people into your portfolio after posting 140 odd images, then the issue is not the site. I have about 25 and have managed to generate views, comments, favourites and made a few peoples watch lists without having my images plastered on the front page.

This is an issue that should be addressed, as people who want to share photo’s with friends should be on Flickr or something. I don’t see how bitching about it while dropping over 100 images on the site helps.

As an aside, those who just want to make a shirt or card for themselves should consider not making those works publicly visible, you can still buy them yourself.

interesting to re read what you have written above after having a look at your ‘artwork’ mate!

oh and nice ‘artwork’ of yours of the bird sitting on the wire. Works well with your rant about crappy pics of birds on wire.

Jon Dawes, go to the forum, and thoroughly read the thread before you open mouth and insert foot. Kev Benge, that piece is on another site, it’s a drawing, not 10 photos, and it’s an old piece. You obviously don’t know much about the print and T biz. The pieces I have uploaded here are very commercial. That is why they are here. The target audience for prints and Ts is usually young. While the subject matter and style may not be your cup of tea, I didn’t post them on this site for your personal gratification. Some people want a Picasso on their shirt, others want something a little more fun.

DrayeArt, for sure its a drawing, but is it better than the people taking holiday snaps of birds sitting on a wire? you are correct in saying its not 10 pics, but you havent shown anything different or unique in your drawing. Its just a bird on a wire as you say. Each to their own on what people display on their tshirts or walls, but if your gonna bag peoples choice, then i’d make sure I havent represented the same subject. Is your work meant to be fun? or Funny? But then you are an American arn’t you?

What is the target audience your aiming for with your ‘art’? Youth doesn’t always equal ignorance. How many people have paid for your ‘art’?

Kev Benge- First of all, you ignorant wanker, if your mission is to provoke me, mission accomplished. Second of all, the bird is on a post. Clean the s* out of your eyes. Thirdly, just because there are pictures of birds in the artworld, does not mean I can’t make one. If originality of subject matter was at issue, there wouldn’t even be any artists. Fourthly, if my career revolved around that one piece, it would have ended years ago. Number five- go stuff your nationalistic attitude. Six- I have sold many pieces in my life and have actually earned paychecks for my illustration work, in national publications. If you’d like, I’ll post my resume. If you can read more than 1 paragraph without tuckering yourself out. Finally, youth does not always = ignorance, but you sure aren’t making much of a case for it’s intelligence.

Which answers my question of yes you are an american. Red white and thru. Ignorance is bliss in your case….

Oh, BRAVO! young squire. It took you 3 1/2 hours to come up with that reply. Doesn’t even make sense. But neither does your previous posts. By the by, I noticed you didn’t bother to mention the 288 other pieces on that site, that have nothing to do with birds. Must have slipped your mind.

Might I suggest if you don’t like the site, leave. If you don’t think it’s worthy of your work it seems logical that you should take it elsewhere.

Of course, if stirring the pot is what keeps you entertained then have fun making a mess. Perhaps the solution you proposed wherever I didn’t read it will make this a better place for all of us. I won’t hold my breath.

Onya Kev & Jon… Hey guys, DrayeArt is a shit stirrer and likes the sound of his own ‘voice’. I believe he is just trying to make a name for himself, because his works of art aren’t succeeding are they? It’s a shame that a debate that started out to be lively has turned nasty. He’s on the other side of the world, let leave it that way!!

Can I just say not all artists hate photographers, in fact I know quiet a lot of artists whom love photographers because they inspire them with great ideas for new art.
My in laws are all artists, very very good ones and quiet a few of my good friends are as well, and I have been asked by them can they draw my photos I have taken because they liked them.
I don’t know why you want me to remove you from my watch list as I haven’t done or said any thing wrong to you or your work but hey that is your choice and if that’s what you want it is fine by me as I will not loose any sleep because of it.
take care
Anne-Marie

Hey guys, DrayeArt is a shit stirrer and likes the sound of his own ‘voice’. – skeeter

Is that why you responded to a dead blog that hasn’t been replied to in a day and a half?

And Dairygirl, Paris Hilton is heir to a respected capitalist dynasty, and she’s nothing but a whore. What’s your point?

As far as I’m concerned, this entree is closed.

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Oi DrayeArt…I wasn’t talking to you!

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maybe i shouldnt of said a rude word but hey this post is finito lol

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I never did like being told what to do!!!!

same specially from the space monkeys and weres my other comment gone did yu delete it or go crying to the men in black im extremely upset about all this nonsence and i apoligise if i offended any body kiki

This is a little old (the entry date I mean, not the topic) – but I am pretty new to the site and have been browsing through the journals.

To me, an artist is an artist no matter whan medium they work in. “Snapshots” aren’t what I consider art, but who am I to judge whan another considers art?

I don’t see why there should be large chasms between artists – art is a creative medium, whether it’s painting, illustration, writing, photography…whatever you do (a do a little of a few of those) – if it represents you, your feelings, who you are or where you are going, then it’s your art.

It’s really time for artists (people) to respect each other, even when they don’t necessarily agree with their work.

I have a lot of respect for true artists – not because of the work they put out, but because of what they put in.

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I might resent being called a digi-dummy if I didn’t have confidence in my work. I’m too old and have spent too much time learning my craft to be resentful – my view is that everyone is entitled to their opinion, and every opinion has merit to the person who holds it.

Chill..Have a Fosters, Dude…

Shitty boring photography is art to shitty boring people,

You just gotta shake your head and take some pleasure knowing that they won’t ever know the satisfaction of creating real art.

This is so true, the same thing happened to me with adding so called photographers to my watch list… I really hate all these “photographers” too.

Come to think of it I cant name a popular photographer off of this site but I definitely can list off some good artwork and tee artists like J3, Anita, Rakuda, and TBO