DilettantO

I am another one that has found this problem in my little village, the Art Society will not let me join, the say my work it not Art.
I have found a few interesting on Digital Art.

Digital Photography and digital printing is now an acceptable medium of creation and presentation by major museums and galleries, and the work of digital artists is gaining ground, through robotic installation, net art and software art. But the work of digital painters and printmakers is beginning to find acceptance as the output capabilities advance and quality increases. Internationally many museums are now beginning to collect digital art such as the San Jose Museum of Art and the Victoria and Albert Museum print department also has a reasonable but small collection of digital art. Online art galleries are becoming popular as well and sites like Art Over America find ways to encourage the production of digital art.

One reason why the established art community finds it difficult to accept digital art is the erroneous perception of digital prints being endlessly reproducible. Many artists though are erasing the relevant imagefile after the first print, thus making it a unique artwork. Another reason is longevity; with today’s digital printing technology though, fading of colours will not occur for 60 to 100 years(www.wilhelm-research.com).

You can also say is Digital Music “Music. read this
Computers are also commonly used to make music, especially electronic music, since they present a powerful way to arrange and create sound samples. It is possible that general acceptance of the value of digital art will progress in much the same way as the increased acceptance of electronically produced music over the last three decades.

O this is going to be on interest journal, thanks for posting.

You can imagine how Picasso must have felt when he painted ‘Demoiselles D’avignon’....
Don’t let ANYONE tell you that what you create isn’t art. They are FOOLS. Their dumb society isn’t worth joining. Start one of your own for the more ‘creatively enlightened’! I’ll be interested to see if I hear back from this person who started this thing off with that arrogant statement, but if they don’t bother, I shan’t lose any sleep. I know who’s right and it’s not them.

I found your writing very interesting and so true…..
I do digital art on the computer in many forms…..I use Painter for my Paintings and I love the smudge tool in Photoshop…...Some of my smudge images that have taken me hours to do have been refused in some of the art groups as they said they looked like photos….Hmmn the photos i did them from are so rough in comparison and i was quite mad about that…..It can take hours and sometimes days to paint digitally and like you i am forever explaining that i use a wacum tablet and pen….not just clicking away on instant filters(dont get me wrong i like filters in their place)....What i do is my interpretaion of art whether it be drawing,painting or taking artistic photos…..
Very well said DilettantO!!!!!!!!

You have my vote on this one my friend – As an “Artist” who uses all sorts of mediums to get my intended impressions across. RB is for “Artists” after all but unfortunately there are some hosts that have ridiculous rules that restrict creative intent. Nothing much we can do about that mate – the world is after all made up of all sorts. Something to think about – as a young photographer I was always being told that photos are NOT art yet the word Photo = light Graph = graphic… do you get my drift here… photograph literally means to paint/draw using light. Go figure. You’ve only just scratched the surface… with the RB groups… wait till you get to know some of them!!!!! :-)))

Love your work BTW :-))

We are no longer using slate to write on – we’re using modern methods to communicate. I thought art was communication….and it’s up to the individual to select their choice of materials. But it’s always the same….the tall poppy risks getting chopped off. Just keep rattling the bars of the cage – it’s music to my ears:-)

O, you have a very strong point here, as you said, all techniques which lead to a good art work are very much valid. I guess it takes more effort to make a digital painting on computer because the kind of hand flow you get with a brush is very hard to get on a tablet, well that is my feeling & i may be wrong as i am just beginning to paint on painter. Art created in any way has to be appreciated and the same goes for music too, you use anything; any instrument, & if the end result is great then you have done it.

all i can add to this is AMEN!!! thanks for saying what needed to be said!!! i have entered art shows where digital art was not accepted…. i tried my best to get them to change their minds… but to no avail!! thank you for speaking your mind and for getting so many others speaking their mind too!!! hugs x

this is a very interesting writing to me. last year i was reading a good book written about history of art. and i found it is necesssary to be made copy for being popular, for example. music, they are making money from copy, they sell CD lots, movie also same, they can offer their work in cheap price to people. but only traditional art, i mean handpainting art , are concidered always as an original work. then still now we are working to sell our original, of course it takes lots of time to produce only one original work. so as a result it becomes high price which common people cannot buy daily. then what is happening? most of artists have to be patient with their poverty.
today it started to sell print of our work like RB doing. its produced through photo, if so, we can paint by computer directly, there is no meaning to paint by hand ,then take a photo , then make a print.
i mean if it is become popular way to make money through printing, it is better to paint directly by computer. i have no prejudice between hand painting and digital painting. unfortunately i am very bad at using computer then gave up to learn digital painting.
i believe in near future this kind of prejudice will disappear!
thank you for your patience to read my poor English.

There arelots of different groups on rb,some relevant to us and some not. Maybe just join the one’s that do involve digital art or start up your own group?
I am sure pp will appreciate your art work nevetheless : )

Sure I can and have but that’s not the point. I just don’t like being discriminated against because someone who is uninformed considers what digital artists do is not art. While not actually saying it in so many words, it’s what was implied. You seem to know the person who made this statement so maybe you could let them know that they appear to be in the minority, judging by the responses I’ve had and so a rethink of that policy, or at very least, the way in which it is expressed, might be in order. X

ON YES My brother!!! THIS issue has come up before SOME GROUPS really act like they are SUCH an anthority on art, they think they have such amazing skill that they can judge ANYONE else as a fake artist because THEY know best. I had quite a word a while back to spill to them on THAT subject. in my veiw they DON’T KNOW anything and most of them that state those silly rulls are NOT good artist themselves… yes that’s right I said it. I am THE last person to tell someone what is good and not good, I believe in everyone has a “good” in their art and they DO so screw anyone that says they know best. BUT Hell, if you can sish it out then you better be able to take it as far as I am concerned! Screw that “I know best” when in fact the art is very questionable to say the least.

I KNOW just what you mean here and AGREE too. I do know there are themes to be followed and THAT is OK. There is a WAY to express this with out insulting other artist SOME here are TOO FULL OF THEMSELVES to even take the time to word these “rule” in such a way that they are not insulting to others. I say Get off your high horse you put yourself on and get real! this is RED BUBBLE NOT YOUR site get over yourself, RB give them a little group and they think they own the whole bloody world on a stick. it is to laugh. Good thing however there ARpeaple out there who run the groups well and are NOT full of doo doo. So I say join with them and I can give you a list as long as my arm on who they are if you want to know :) xoxooxoxoxox

Thanks PA. You’re a peach. It seems I upset a friend of theirs saying that which is sad, but I stand by what I said. RB is no place for arrogance and to me, that sounded arrogant in the extreme. Sure, mods can make up what rules they like about their groups, but at least they can have the decency to be polite to other members about them. If they want to play that gig, go to Youtube. You get that kind of attitude on there all the time. Thanks again Hugs to you XHXH

Here… Here….Well written.Agreed 110%.
Marty

I agree with you totaly, Iam a digital artist and have had some heated talks with people on other art sites that were saying that digital art is not art or anyone can do it because it just cut and paste. My tablet,mouse,and keyboard is my bushes and my monitor is my canvas. Like anyother art form the digital artist needs to know about color,textures,lighting,form,design, etc. plus alot of digital arts design their own models, as Iam one that does and thats not just that easy.

AMEN BRO! xoxoxo

While I agree that digital art is just as wonderful an art form as any other, I also think that the whole purpose of having different groups on redbubble is so each can showcase different styles of art. If every group accepted every kind of art, there would be no reason to have the smaller groups within redbubble. Of course, without knowing what this specific group was for, there’s no way for me to say whether or not it is truly arrogance on their part.

For instance, I am in many groups here. However, since I do a variety of art styles (photography, photography/digital art combined, and painting), not every piece I create is appropriate for every group I belong to. I belong to groups that only accept painting, groups that only accept photography with no editing, groups that only accept digital art or photo manipulations, and groups that accept pretty much anything.

If a group is specifically for painting or photography, there’s no reason they should accept anything that is not painting or photography; just like if a group is specifically for digital art or photo blends, they should not accept traditional painting or straight photography.

My guess is (and again, this is strictly a guess since i don’t know which group this was) that this frustration is a result of an ongoing problem with redbubble groups, which is that many hosts don’t really specify what the group is for in the name. Most likely, when they started the group they meant it to be for a specific type of art, but then didn’t make that clear in the name of the group. So, everyone gets frustrated with them for rejecting works or having odd rules. I know quite a few of the groups have changed their names to better reflect what they want. Hopefully the rest will follow soon. :)

I agree totally with what you say Veronica, but my annoyance was mainly to do with the arrogance of the statement ‘Digital art will be rejected and no explanation given’. There are many way that point could have been made which would have sounded polite, even by simply putting the word ‘Sorry’ in front of it. X