This was my rather long winded reply to a redbubble forum post here
So was I full of it or on the money?
Don’t forget I’m a writer – besides couldn’t think of a picture that would express these thousand words :o)
Hope you have a coffee on hand :o)
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You mean if I write long enough I get to eat ??
Off to write now … too busy to write here ….
no wait!
If I write here will I get to eat sooner ?
Now someone said
“Great art is done by people who are dead that’s what makes it great! ”
Bloody hell! If I could get a bloke to paint something when he’s dead I’d think it pretty good too!!! ... Would that help me eat ?
The consensus appears to be that when you die you will automatically be great artists –
W R O N G !!!!
So many people who can do wonderful creative art will die with their work not getting any further than the family home!
What makes art great is the passion of the artist matching the passion of the audience.
What then makes that art popular to the “Classic” standard is someone taking that art and getting it seen en mass! [to get lots of passionate audience connection]
What makes art valuable is the uniqueness of it … especially if it is well liked and to a lesser degree skillful!
Critique is only useful for technical aspects. Who is anyone to say you did that wrong? It is art it is the expression of your imagination your philosophy your soul! It is how you view the world you live in. That is the whole point of art – to show a reality that may be thought of but could be or not be easily projected.
Someone mentioned “the Scream” and other great yet seemingly childish works of modern art. The whole meaning of that art style was protest against the horrors of WW1 – the shock of the returning wounded the catastrophic effects of the war on all of society. And the artists were voicing the general populas’ ideas that war is wrong – which was not what the wealthy wanted. Very typical of any period of time throughout History – some even say that politicians define/ed the bible!
History was recorded by artists and archived by politicians.
It is the cross reference of several cultural records that determines the facts
“If a tree fell in the woods and no one witnessed it – did it make a sound?”
What was kept for historical reference is what the politics of the day wanted to be known for…. it did not necessarily truely reflect the entire reality of the time.
Only this last century – with the instant truth of cameras and the free press and especially satellite TV – has the reality of the day been recorded accurately and even then the outcome can be edited and tampered with and in some cases hidden or destroyed.
And in the education department it is notorious for cutbacks to be aimed at the arts first! That is a scandal that I can never find a justification for. Especially when Sport is favoured so strongly over it.
Yes alright it is important to be fit and healthy but true health comes from inner peace and that is achieved through creative expression and validation!
When people stressed out due to competition [and face it living is just one huge competition – wangling money to meet all the demands vs the ability to work enough to make said money !!] the first thing the therapists do is ask what hobbies you enjoy; and if there is none in your life they strongly recommend you take up one!
Long term unemployed people can be reassigned work far better if they are encouraged to do a course of creative manual labour – such as furniture restoration. It will invigorate the right endorphines (?) in their mind and give them a sense of completion and validation.
That is because without a creative hobby your inner being will not be expressed and your sense of self not validated! – the two main root causes of depression.
I would rather see the money go into the education arts programs – language culture appreciation & expression – in equal doses as buying more art. Yes bring good art to the country and promote good art of the country but also teach the people the value of these to their own existence.
Everyone else wanted to justify the money being spent or not being spent on art when they have no idea what art the gallery is actually thinking of buying!
I like the idea of a giant Redbubble art wigit to show what is being done and posted moment by moment [would also need a bank of smaller screens for viewers to check for longer … perhaps jot down our contacts and purchase something too] This would indeed show the truest art happening NOW and give the strongest feel for what art styles the population does value.
I suggest RB pitch that to someone … pitched right we would be the innovators of the world of art!
Art to me is living culture recorded for all to see
Not all of us can do it not all of those who can can do it well !!
But remember …
“Beauty is in the eye of the beholder” and perhaps we should remember the “Blue Poles” and “Yellow Peril” pieces that our “experts” wasted millions on in the past.
What is the government smoke screening this time ???
What do they really want the money for? [10% actually spent on the art piece and the rest quietly used somewhere else]
Now that was my soap box rant for sure!
Keep Happy !!! :o)
{packing up soap box & megaphone now … oooh someone put coins in my megaphone bag :o) thank you !!! Now perhaps I can eat YAY!!! :o) }
Nicole Ryan, 4 months ago
applauds
well said !!!
still clapping
xx
Nicole Ryan, 4 months ago
still clapping
(is what that said lol)
adgray in reply to Nicole Ryan’s comment, 4 months ago
Thank you !! Thank you !! Thank you !! {bowing importantly}
Don’t applaud just throw money! :o)
Ouch not coins! Please just paper notes {folded into planes for accuracy of throw is fine! :o)}
C H O O K A S !!!! :o)
Trudi ~, 4 months ago
Ahhh who can forget the yellow peril and the toilet stack statue they erected on Southbank!!lol,and not forgetting those large balls that they placed on parts of the medium strip on Geelong rd when they finished it for decoration,one strong wind and they took off through the traffic !! Lol,oh and then there was the giant hills hoist,that would have to be a classic,then there was the commemorative arch they built on St Kilda Rd for bicentenial celebrations {remember that one Alyssa?} it resembled that game of pick up sticks!! it has now been purchased by the government in StH Australia,only problem is when they took it down they could’nt work out how to reasemmble it,so they have just left it where it was put in pieces!
But as you say art is in the eye of the beholder,and maybe someone somewhere would like a tall staue of Dunnies,but l think if the gov’t wants to spend money,why not put out a general message to see if the Art is suitable for the city!
The money spent on arts in the school system is appalling l would have to agree,so much is spent on sports that creativeness does tend to have to take a back seat, Australia puts alot of emphasis on how well you perform on the football field or cricket pitch or anything to do with winning a medal at the olympics for example,but we never see the fanfare or accolades for someone in the world of the arts when they have acheived something,but then the world seems to be driven more by winning the game,than striving to create a better place for all,so it will probably never change….......thanks for the interesting topic my friend always a good read
adgray in reply to Trudi ~’s comment, 4 months ago
Oh god yes the pick-up-sticks gate :o)
But I missed the dunnies and the balls … However I do like the leaves though on the Geelong freeway now – I like how it disintegrates as you pass by :o)
It is well known in the education department and all the schools and is pointed out in the Universities – that the Arts Electives are the first to be cut from budgets and the Sport streams are the first to be fed …. and what classes do the kids cut most? PE but they LOVE Drama!!!!
One day! ONE DAY! I will have my say to the minister of education and let the country know just how important and valuable our CULTURE is!
And speaking of culture, did you know when you go to multicultural festivals they always FORGET the Celts? and us white Aussies!
To the world Australia has no culture other than Indigenous dot art and boomerangs or the Man from Snowy River!
I had people from Scotland just 10 years ago immigrating out here so that they could live in QLD on the beach and fly in their Cessna to the trout fishing and their kids could ride horses through snow covered bush to school with their faithful kangaroo by their sides! I’m not kidding!
Thanks to the Flying Doctors TV series and Home & Away and the Man from Snowy River movies, people in Scotland thought that’s how we lived!
Sad huh? They stayed out here for 4 years then packed up and went back home to their 2up-2down tenement in Glasgow and felt better that they were home!
Aaaaah! The power of art :o)
dawndavies, 4 months ago
here here, these great people who think art is when you die, are really not living, i agree rb should show this site and all the LIVING art and artists of all kinds, and show what artists whi are still living and world wide has, this is life art, with real people well done dawn
Trudi ~, 4 months ago
And if you asked the Americans how we lived,we would all be Steve Irwin or Crocodile Dundee,it’s very sad !!lol
hilarydougill, 4 months ago
Very well expressed and so very true. When Picassa first painted he paint in a conventional way and they were good, then he saw how much people would pay for his work and I think ge thought, I’ll try something, and see how gullible the public is, and he did, that is when the lady with the eye in her stomach appeared and everyone went mad and paid millions for his ridiculous works. He must have laughed all the way to the bank.. It is now happening again with Paul Macartney (the Beetle) his work is atrocious (In my humble opinion) and people are clambouring to get their hands on it, ludicrous, when there are really good painters out there scrambling for a crust.. I am perfectly aware that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but some people really need glasses. Our Government is the same, they spend millions of absolute rubbish that we have to look at daily.. it makes no sense to me when we have homeless living on the streets. I personally could do without public art and be happy to see people in homes instead of on park benches. You will notice when I comment I say WHY I like it, not just nice, which mean nothing, it is a place in France and a biscuit., but why it has appealed to me, I wish the government would explain to me what they see in something that they force upon our gentile optical senses. , and it is time they concentrated on the living artists and gave them a chance, not wait until they are dead when they can no longer benefit themselves. (Now I will get down from your soap box and give it back haha)
adgray in reply to hilarydougill’s comment, 4 months ago
hahahahaha!!! Anyone else wanna borrow the soapbox? :o)
Yes well put! lol
Thanks for the support … so I’m not full of it then? Phew! for a second there I thought I had no idea what I was bloody on about! lol :o)
ssshhhh don’t disillusion me you’ll spoil the effect! lol {dusting soap box off for next ranter :o)}
Helen Bascom, 4 months ago
Interpretations of beauty in art possess two concepts: aesthetics and taste.
Aesthetics is the philosophical notion of beauty. Aesthetics is the critical reflection on art, culture and nature. It is a branch of philosophy closely associated with the philosophy of art. It is a new way of seeing and of perceiving the world.
Taste is a result of education and awareness of elite cultural values; therefore taste can be learned and varies according to cultural background, and education.
Immanuel Kant held that beauty is objective and universal. Therefore, some things are beautiful to everyone. The opposite does not appear to be the case, however. What one culture finds unpleasant or disgusting, does not hold true for another culture.
The contemporary view of beauty is not based on innate qualities, but rather on cultural specifics and individual interpretations. So in this sense, beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder.
With this person relative, culturally oriented definition of beauty I am free to dismiss any opinion that disagrees with mine about what is beautiful in art.
Aesthetics can be broadly defined as “critical reflection on art, culture and nature.” Because of the constantly changing nature of art, it is reasonable that some styles of creativity will not be judged as art until aesthetics and taste evolve to encompass that creativity.
I have a saying, “The proof is in the pudding.” This means that time will bear out the value of something. When the pudding is done and the people taste it (when the art has passed the test of time) the final judgment will be true. Unfortunately for the creative person, this final aesthetic judgment is not made until long after his/her passing.
adgray in reply to Helen Bascom’s comment, 4 months ago
BRAVO! :o)
We should be Literature Lecturers lol
Except your arguments are more clearly defined than mine … I just ramble! lol
But yes exactly the truth of the whole situation … except the last!
I would consider Ken Done work as exceptional pieces of art and classically values in both aesthetic and taste for the general populace depicting the fresh vibrant freedom of our modern Australian style … and he ain’t dead yet :o)
There could be others – Warhol was one before he died and after, as was Sydney Nolan and Pro Hart.
My point is that If we were to favour every brilliant artist existing there would be no ability to create something new
Take music for example. since recording has come into the game there is NOTHING new created … instead there is an emerging style of Revamped oldies! Hell they even revamped the classics – like the Cannon!
Who’s to say that the rock tunes of now werent tunes used in the millenia before recording … not every song was written down until the 1700s when copywrite made music commercial. copywrite came from the copy writers who would work with the artists and turn their scratched scrawl into beautifully legibly written work … and then they would copy it out for the members of the sections of the orchestra or band to play. in the beginnings this was all done by hand – I have seen copies and an actual hand written piece from those medieval times and I must say they were beautiful works of calligraphic art in themselves and every copy of the first copy was perfect to the last note!
see I’m rambling again!
How did I get from Ken Done to medieval music copywriters? lol
the point is saturation = end of creation.
how many photographers on here post dozens of the exact same shot just with a slightly different HDR or Photoshop effect?
and yet the difference has not created a new piece just “Warhol”-ed it! If they want to do that why not truely Warhol it and post it as a poster of a range of what their photoshop can do to it … for purchase as a whole or parts therein!
I’m sorry perhaps I’m a traditionalist but photoshop is a tool like a paint brush or sketch pad, use it to create not just duplicate!
Nope I’m no lecturer I’m a rambler for sure! lol
[Mind you my favourite lecturer was my philosophy one who “Thalked” thinking and talking at the same time … thinking aloud whatever lol – he was fun to listen to and then up! :o) ]
Thank you for your input on this topic :o)
Keep Happy :o)
dreadfulbride, 4 months ago
Goodness! you guys ‘er holden class!
I dun wanna wrack my brain right now, Think I will go join the others in the caf. :)