"National Protest Against Prop 8" Yes, I said "NATIONAL" by abfabphoto

I will spread the word.

Thanks Sweetie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Iwill:))))))))))))))))

Good luck sweet thang :) My fingers are crossed for you and yours !!!!

Newark is about an hour from me. We are seeing Tina Turner in Newark on Thanksgiving! :)

im with you all the way ladies and mans i will vote as long as i can love th eemossion for so many people . loya

yes..theres no news
on the gay activists charging a church while it was in service in Mich and disrespecting everyone inside

and nope no news on the letters sent to mormon churches in LA and Salt Lake City filled with white powder and hateful messages

cover evenly mate

ok, not looking for a fight.
just saying, this is one topic…protest to overturn gay marriage
fine…but going out of your way to attack people for their affiliations is basically the same discrimination your trying to fight (im using you in general) in the cases i stated above. You (abf) can at least note it as a way NOT to protest since it would seem very hypocritical to discriminate against people when you feel your being discriminated. Thats what i meant..

but i can understand if you dont respect direct democracy
and the rights of the poeple to choose and govern themselves
as they did on Nov 4th

Well damn. Why does this always happen? No matter what the issue, someone always comes in with some ugly negative comment and has to criticize the person posting because they didn’t address some alleged bad act on the part of an alleged member of the group they are speaking about? Why the hell does that happen? As if that somehow lessens the importance of the message!

Hey everyone! Listen up! Over here friend — pay attention now.

There are bad people dong bad things in every single sector of society. How on earth does that have anything to do with the message of the right to equality? Does the bad act by a few members of a group somehow negate the message of the entire group? It doesn’t.

I wasnt trying to do this whole run around thing but im not gunna just leave ur qustion up in the air.
(oh stop helen)

I figured a “what if” situation would arise.

First of all, that “what if” situation wouldnt happen, but “what if it did?”-
well for one thing it would go all the way back to the center of the issue…
and that is the definition of marriage.

The reason this is a “moral/religious regarded” issue is because of what marriage is.

Marriage is an institution created under religion between a man and woman.
It had nothing to do with the Govt at all until money/taxes became the issue.
Then Govt would recognize i so that these things could be settled (what they didnt do though was define it because iof its obviousness). Between a man and woman as it universally was from the constitutions foundation.)

But our brilliant forefathers knew something.
That is, for the constitution of the US (Cal, etc) to be efficient, they must be allowed to breath life into different generations.
I believe ga marriage would be allowed later down the line but not now…and it being forced upon the people of Ca by the govt has forced the people to make a drastic choice. ban gay marriage.

Instead of trying to force a originally religious institution (which shuns homosexuality) to be altered to accept something it wasnt designed for.

My call was to change civil unions to = that of marriage.
And that remains my call. Instead of fighting what the people of Cal , Florida and Arizona have voted in favor of….

they should accept it and nw go to alter what available.
Banning same sex marriage isnt discrimination because marriage wasnt designed for it (being a religion created union) rather its an un-qualification.

therefore if voters approved a ban on bi-racial marriage, the fight would go back to “what is marriage?” and it is what i have stated above…having nothing to do with race.

I don’t have to stop Kenny. :-P And if interracial marriage is banned, well my husband I would be living in sin I suppose. Interracial marriage used to be illegal Kenny, dear boy. So was women voting, and it used to be legal to work children up to 12 hours a day in factories. Do you know why those things have changed, Kenny? Because people spoke up and said it isn’t right. That’s what’s going on here. It isn’t right to discriminate (and yes denying someone the fundamental freedom to enjoy a marriage relationship with all the privileges and responsibilities that go along with it is a fundamental human right). Some people in the world need to stop being so narrow minded.

oh wow…

i like how fighting for tradition, morals and faith
make me narrow minded, discriminatory, unfair, and too young to understand….

i told you just to call (the protest) evenly
thats all. You called me back for more so i guess your also guilty of breaking your rule

adios my fellow angelino…

Oh Kenny, I wasn’t talking about you in particular. But your views are kind of narrow because if marriage is indeed a religious/moral issue and not a legal right as you say, then all that has to happen to make my interracial marriage to my husband illegal is for the religious right to get it on the ballot — and TA DA by popular vote, my marriage no longer exists.

Try reading about this United States Supreme Court Case, Virginia versus Loving It is going to take a case like this to break the barriers for same sex marriage.

No helen. You misinterpreted me

Bravo, abf and Helen! Luckily, in the Netherlands marriage is not a religious issue at all… you first marry in the City Hall. then, if you wish, you marry in a church or any other sort of religious ceremony you wish, to get the blessing of a miinster or a rabbi… and we are happily married, since the town official announced: “I now pronounce you wife and wife!” 5,5 years ago ;-)

Since gay marriage was allowed on April 1st, 2001 lots of gay women and lots of gay men got married. Did that changed society? NO, it didn’t. Nobody got ill, the schools didn’t change their teaching programs, the moral of society didn’t change and so on. The only thing that changed is that gay people got their human rights and feel better.

;-) Forgot to link it. One

From the “description” of the drawing:

On the bottom left corner it is written in Hebrew: והיו לבשר אחד or: “and they shall be one flesh.”, taken from Genesis 2:24.

While the original verse relates to the marriage between man and woman, all kinds of marriages involve getting united and in one or more senses becoming ONE. You may feel one through the act of making love, but the union can go further and deeper than that, on the one hand, or limit itself to financial matters (family as a business partnership, or for one of the partners’ financial security’s sake). In any case, from two apart individuals, a marriage makes a family unit, recognized by the community and the state, which involves certain social and economical benefits.

In Holland and some other European countries gays and lesbians can marry, since the beginning of the 21st century. In most States of the seemingly more conservative United States of America it is still impossible.

Hmm… I hope that on this occasion Australia doesn’t follow in the footsteps of America. Becuase if they do..my daughter will not have the same rights to live with her lover.As a male and female living in a defacto relationship! It’s purely based on a sexual preference..and not on any moral or spiritual law. It’s archaic..and wrong. And if Australia gets a vote on two loving people of the same sex being able to be married in a loving relationship in the eyes of the law…I’ll be voting!! And I’ll be vocal…that’s for damn sure!! I only wish I had the chance to do something from here to help you! Laws are there to protect the majority…but this law has not been created to protect anyone!! Just what are they scared of exactly?? Anyway, I’ll get off my soapbox…………….for now.. : )
I wish you all the best girls! Bless you.. Wen xoxox

It’s a deal Jen!! : ) (I’m still waiting for my daughter to ask me to march in the Gay Pride parade in Sydney it looks like so much fun : )!! lol )
Do you guys have a national Gay pride parade there?? Wen xox

WE SURE DO!! I used to work at Aids Healthcare Foundation and always marched in Long Beach, West Hollywood and San Francisco…. Marches are over rated lol and early in the morning. The best part is AFTER!!! Dancing and Drinking and havin a gay ’ol time …..LOL YOu can march with us here… LOL

Hahahahaha… sounds like fun Jen!! ; ) Ours is later in the afternoon…and goes into the night….so everyone is already into the spirit of it… do you guys have it on TV? We have it here.. and all the homophobics can watch and be horrified in the privacy of their own homes!! But can’t do a damn thing to interfere with it… because it’s televised after the event is over!! It’s a hoot!! : ) my girls watch it with me.. and I drool at all the costumes..(because I used to be a dancer and know how much goes into making them : ))
I’ve promised that while we’re in Melbourne in late January I’d take Sarah to a Gay and Lesbian bar..as she’s just turned 18 (the legal drinking age here) Not alot of mums do that here!! LOL Not to encourage her to drink….just because there is no where here where we live for Gay men and Lesbian women to socialize. Crazy.. but we are so behind the times here! There was even a State of AUSTRALIA that homosexuality was illegal up until 1997 !! Soooo way behind the times.
Wen xoxox

It has been really interesting following this discussion all the way from Australia. It’s bloody simple if you ask me… common sense even. Just not to men. And the churches are mostly men, lets admit it. I do not see the problem with two PEOPLE falling in love and wanting to committ to each other and have that love recognised by the rest of the world. Good LUCK!! It sounds like you may need it. :)