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Extinction 08#1

kafka kafka 2274 posts

This is the first of a new series (the paint is still wet as I write) I have tried to incorporate some of the ideas that have come up in our recent forum discussions – I am not sure how successfully (as usual the painting took over after a short while and took me with it)

Please let me know what you think of it. I won’t say too much about it at the moment other than, as usual, the compositional elements are relatively unimportant and it was painted using only three basic primaries to mix all the colours – pthalo blue, cadmium red and yellow ochre – with just a little white for mixing.
It didn’t set out to be Putist – but it may be..?

Over to you…….I will just add that I am perfectly happy with it (it wouldn’t exist if I wasn’t) so don’t suggest any changes…..I would just like to know what you think of it, and what you think it could be about.

mufa mufa 207 posts

Really glad you didn’t let us in on the mind-set.
Going to really study this one before I dare comment

Marilyn Brown Marilyn Brown 4192 posts

My initial reaction is that I love it. That strong red against the blue is brilliant. Its duality is perfectly balanced. The calmness (is that’s a word) of the top half of the image is set of so well by the activity and movement of the lower half. It’s almost like two worlds but just occasionally they violently meet with magnificent results.
The composition is great with the red being the immediate focal point followed by the white highlights which join the worlds. The blue acts to rest the eye while the jutting lines excites the eye and keeps it moving around the work.
What you have created is something that will immediately catch the eye and hold it there letting the observer ponder the meaning of the mark making.

Oh and I just love the orange tones with the blue under painting peeking through, that’s just wonderful.

MrsO MrsO 10 posts

May I say (holy shit?) who am I to comment…?
O.k. so I’m over that…

Electricity, earth, christ and profound.
Standing strong and tall.
Not chained as the rest.

The strength stands in your (limited, yet amazing) mix of colours. Your mind blowing blue positioned against your red comes forward with such power. Your freedom in strokes and the direction in which they lead allow the viewer to follow what you were thinking and how you felt at the time. Which I think has a lot to do with freedom (at the time of painting). It could go deeper – but your head remains yours (as mine does mine).

I don’t know if any of this makes sense to you.
It does to me.
I certainly hope I don’t sound like a wanker.
Perhaps it’s a little fantastic.

mufa mufa 207 posts

When we were discussing Klee I remember saying something to the effect that respect and renown enhance the ‘quality’ of an artist’s work, because the viewer is willing to contribute more to the interaction. You have reached that stage on RB. A few months back I would have passed by this thumbnail – noting another pleasant [personal to someone] abstract.
(I wonder how many masterpieces we all miss! Images on RB are like the human race – half the people that have ever been born are currently alive! – check out the sums, Malthus and geometric progression et al. Half the images I have seen in my life were in the last four months on RB).
I digress – I have studied this at length and (as usual) have grown to love it. Perhaps I need to look at Klee again!
Your sparse description didn’t reveal much – but the events of the past couple of weeks and the title help me to put ’a’ jigsaw together – but I can’t help thinking that the ‘Kafka discourse’ has possibly seen me inject all manner of unintended content. As a ‘relativist’ this should please me, but the words ‘shoehorn’, ‘facts’ and ‘theory’ keep jumping to mind!
Following ‘timeline’ it is possible to see a progression from serene calm velvet in the past to a more rocky, chaotic present.
My immediate reaction was soldiers with pikes. However I now know to search a Kafka for bones! and sure enough the helmets and faces fuse into a skeleton/spine. To the extreme left of this ‘relic’ is a commanding (power) figure who is gesticulating towards the distance. The red slash I take as some ‘blood’ symbol. The ochre shapes could be a ‘on the rocks’ metaphor or the ocean floor – but I see that as unlikely, possibly pallbearers.
I therefore see this – given the title – as an ambiguous comment on both the environment [bones of an extinct species] and the futility of human conflict [war on both the planet and other social groups].
The other possible reading is the red and the white crucifix version that is being ‘borne’ – comment on secularisation? (don’t know your religious affiliation of course…..)
And then there’s the more unlikely versions…...........
You of course will now tell us that it is just a pleasant little predominantly blue abstract!
Putist?
Naw…....... once again too Kafka-ish.
Aesthetically? – difficult not to like it…..........

kafka kafka 2274 posts

I am so tempted to spill some beans !! – I’m having a Rolf Harris moment…....can you tell what it is yet?!

Seriously – I am very happy that you have all got a lot of the content (I think)
Mufa, you will know from previous discussions that my first and only real concern is the artist to painting relationship – the painting to viewer element I always consider something that is not mine to control (or have any wish to)

This sort of critique is fascinating because it demonstrates how we all percieve things in a totally subjective way (something you have often spoken about) – yet parts and portions of my making of the work have clearly been conveyed to you all – each in a slightly different way, but each correct in a way that is relevant to yourselves and your own work. – do we ‘see’ as we ‘think’?......curiouser and curiouser….

Shall I reveal all? – or just a clue or two?
Heres one that doesn’t give too much away -
There is a visual/literal pun (not ‘important’ in itself) contained within the painting…..
Thylacine….pthalocyanine
And one more – the first ‘layer’ of the work – the elemental shape – was drawn in with the canvas turned 90 degrees to the right and the canvas was then turned back to continue the rest of the work…...for an important reason….??!!

This is fun….!!

Marilyn Brown Marilyn Brown 4192 posts

This refers to the title? Yes?

Is it his stripes I see mirrored in your painting.

kafka kafka 2274 posts

In a way MB, I wanted an extinct animal that is also a symbol of extinction (still fresh in our minds) – also I liked the pun in the name Thylacine/pthalocyanine (appealed to my sense of humour) and I wanted the coincidence that it is an Australian animal because RB is Australian and a large part of the painting was inspired by our recent forum discussions here on RB – so in one sense the painting is about our group of painters…...so, yes – I can give you that bit definitely – the central element of the painting is the skull and spine of a Thylacine – the sadly, extinct, Tasmanian Wolf (Tiger)

kafka kafka 2274 posts

ps. he is a symbolic element – ie. he means something else entirely…....

Marilyn Brown Marilyn Brown 4192 posts

Well he definitely must be symbolic of mortality or the end of something – perhaps the classification of art….. guessing a bit now.

kafka kafka 2274 posts

You’re getting warm…....

mufa mufa 207 posts

You did say that the compositional elements were relatively unimportant – should have listened to that.
Plead ignorance on the critter – never heard of it!
Australian dodo – 90* to the right – symbolic – discussion – hmmmmmmm!
Got it ….......
90* to the right gave the opportunity for you to symbolically move it back to the left and find the politics of your student days all over again!
But more important it symbolises the end of your existentialism because you realise that Neitzsche was never designed to be dragged in that direction. Goodbye essence – hello uncertainty. MB is not the only speculative guesser round here.
I assume that it is an optimistic leap of faith and you are predicting the start of the end of postmodernism. You really wanted to call it – POSTMODERNISM 1970-2008 RIP

kafka kafka 2274 posts

LOL !
Wonderful interpretation Mufa – I almost wish it was the ‘right’ one!
You almost got the last bit – (hint) a sub-title could have been ‘the corpse of modernism’
(I am going to have to explain this soon or you are all going to get annoyed with me)

Marie Magnusson Marie Magnusson 190 posts

c’mon Mufa, you think I’m nuts for finding a woman in Melissa Mailer-Yates ’ Puerto III ’ and here you see a whole army ;- )

the backbone was the most obvious to me (being a biologist perhaps influences that), but looking for something else I also saw the city plummeting into the abyss that Micmac mentioned, an illustration of the destruction of the environment leading to the destruction of ourselves is how I interpret this although I have to admit the painting is so beautiful in colour and contrast and texture that such an interpretation seems too dark. thinking about it, the beauty and the energy is the hope that we can still do something to stop this from becoming reality
, that we can still stop ourselves from plummeting the whole world into the abyss. this is the interpretation of an environmental scientist and doesn’t really seem to fit in with the other recent comments ; – ) I will however leave the discussion of the death of postmodernism to someone else for a while longer…

mufa mufa 207 posts

Marie, you still remember that!............. (took me ages, but I found her eventually!)
You do reinforce a point that Kafka makes, which is the word ‘find’. We are all studying this at length, in ‘search’ mode and it does seem to be revealing more about our individual mind-sets than the painting. I’m looking forward to a later thread when we discuss where a work of art actually resides. Is it in the creator’s perception, the physical artifact or the perception of the viewer? I go for the third option every time – but most seem reluctant to let go of the common sense option of the second. This discussion will make a good reference tool.
It doesn’t now seem to matter what Kafka eventually reveals (apart from curiosity) because we’ve all woven a personally interpreted work of art into our own subjective world.
Marie, I’m now worried because you see ‘Micmac’ in discussion threads and I can’t find her…..... I’m just not perceptive enough I guess.

Marie Magnusson Marie Magnusson 190 posts

aah not to worry Mufa, Micmac commented on the painting in Kafka’s gallery, not here in the forum, the voices (or text in this case) are still real!

” ... where a work of art actually resides. Is it in the creator’s perception, the physical artifact or the perception of the viewer?... ” looking forward to that discussion as well, to me there is only two options though, as I think the creator becomes a viewer herself as soon as the artwork is finished.

mufa mufa 207 posts

Totally agree with you Marie. Subsequently, the creator is no different from any other viewer. I didn’t express it clearly enough. The first option should have been the creator’s intention.
Incidently, the second option is going to be difficult to sustain – given that we are all here discussing the electronic arrangement of coloured pixels that Kafka’s art-kit, digital camera, software, and internet connection have magically generated on our computer screens.

kafka kafka 2274 posts

Hi Marie – you have ‘got’ one layer of the work, the problem with this sort of painting, like most of my ‘big’ paintings, is that I try to get too much going on (I absolutely love puzzles, codes and maps and my pictures are full of them. It really is interesting that you are recognising the things that relate to yourselves – as Mufa says, there is a lot of discussion to be had about this phenomena. -

Back to the picture – The final, what I would term the most visual and literal layer of the painting is almost exactly as Marie said – it is an aerial view of landscape, shoreline city and docks (transfigured from the thylacine spine), and sea.

In order to explain this element properly I have to give away another one – this layer interacts with the next layer which is (temporal) time which travels from the bottom to the top of the canvas. As we move up the canvas we move forward in time – Marie is exactly right, the city (civilisation) pollutes the future (red) and crumbles and collapses into it (the blue)

However there is hope – which is present in the next layer of meaning below these two….......

ps. the colours are not really used for any emotive or expressive reasons. (even though they are naturally expressive in their own right) The reason for my only using three primaries is central to the third layer (hope) that I mentioned.

Marie Magnusson Marie Magnusson 190 posts

hope… is the backbone and and the red supposed to form a cross perhaps (as a symbol of hope), is this why you had the canvas turned 90* to start with, to paint the cross? but it woudn’t be necessary with just 3 colours to paint a cross. also, for some reason (without having any clue as to your view on religion at all Kafka) I was not expecting religious symbolism, perhaps again this is just the subjective viewer looking for/expecting the presence or in this case absence of things that reinforce her own view of the world (very far from religious in my case). hmm, also you mention the third layer as being below the others so I should probably be looking for something subtler.. although I didn’t see the shape as a cross until you mentioned hope. and the cross has fallen to the side, perhaps the fall of religion is a symbol of hope (certainly religion has been used as an excuse for all sorts of atrocities through time and in my opinion we might well be better off without major religious movements in the world!) aah, just rambling now, and probably getting off hte track of the importance of using only 3 primary colours.

kafka kafka 2274 posts

You are really getting there now Marie – The cross/crucifix is used as a symbol of faith/hope – (not in a specific religious way), and yes, painting it upright and then ‘making it fall’ by turning the canvas is a symbol of fallen hope – it is not the fall of religion – it is the fall of….

layer 1 The Thylacine….crucified in the name of progress (and all other animals who have or will suffer the same fate unless the world gets it’s act together)

layer 2 environment …...The red streak of paint is pollution (of the blue) it fades in gradually and smoothly from the base of the painting (growing stronger with time) until it burst forth from the body of the crumbling city/thylacine in a solid, dense slash of paint, uncontrolled into the future space of the painting (the blue) The complexity and narrative of our world’s ecological history (the land element) is being unalterably changed (into the blue future)

layer 3 …....(something else) – to do with;
The three primary colours are the ‘holy trinity’ of painting – which takes us to the final layer of the work and the final transfiguration of the symbolism and brings in the notions and ideas that make this (also) a painting about us and the painters in our group.

ps. [turning the canvas when I paint is also something that I often do to deliberately break up any compositional aesthetics which distract me]

Robert Dye Robert Dye 97 posts

Drawing conclusions from my initial thoughts about the work (which kafka previously knew about) and after reading the above comments I wanted to elaborate on what my reactions are to this wonderful and thoughtful modern painting.
As mention the spine-like element which serves as the symbolic representations of the fallen crucifix and the civilization of Man divides the painting into halves. The lower portions are of earthly coloration (from the trinity of primary colors) and have linear qualities which I perceive as being the connections and “strings” that link humanistic concepts and our affects through the passing of time. They are different ideas and historical events that cross, intersect, and bind us together in a visual way.
The large red, vertical slash (representing time) moves upwards from a solid brushstroke and dwindles and disintegrates into smaller separations of finer streaks of paint. It could be conveying the diminishing of measurable time. and how it affects the connections of Man throughout history, and the future.
The area of blues become a “heaven-like” outlook for the potentiality of our hope. I see this work as representing the separations of heaven and earth (and the past and the future), and comments on our progression towards becoming better individuals (which obviously can affect our future). We are moving forwards through time in search of restoring our hope, and it is not so much a negative connotation of human progress but an idealistic one. In kafkas creation (as a painter) he is reversing the “fall of hope”, refuting the extinction of painting, and allowing the viewer to move upwards through the blues of the work, and feel the hopeful potential that the future could have in store… Hmmmm… I’m interested in seeing what the other pieces of work could add to this first in his series… Hope you all take good care, keep painting away, and may peace be with you all-

bites bites 69 posts

kafka this painting gives me anxiety, is it supose to do that?

kafka kafka 2274 posts

@bites – Your intuition is worth a thousand of my words – The (my) existential core of the work is my own horror at the absurdity of the world we have created and the various ways in which we are busy destroying it. I suspect that the anxiety the painting is causing you, is your own wonderful sense of empathy ‘tuning in’ to this visceral part of my head (which can be a dark place at times)

@Robert – wonderful reading – The lower portions are of earthly coloration (from the trinity of primary colors) and have linear qualities which I perceive as being the connections and “strings” that link humanistic concepts and our affects through the passing of time. They are different ideas and historical events that cross, intersect, and bind us together in a visual way – absolutely correct.

They are the strings and threads that are the ‘Grand Narratives’ of painting and philosophy. They lead to and connect with modernism (the Thylacine/ the fallen hope of painting) the strings lash the body of modernism to the past (the land element) and prevent its movement into the future (the blue) The red is the hope (it is the enabling creative force that runs through time – it breaks through the corpse of modernism to become…..a changeling?......post-modernism?.......Putism??........something else? (we do not know…it is in the future.

So there it is – we have hit most of the buttons on this work.
I would just like to add a postscript which describes something about the method of painting I used.

When I began the work none of the above ideas were assembled in any pre-planned way. They were just a very loose jumble of things that I knew I wanted to place somehow onto the surface of a canvas. The only elements that were there at the beginning were the Thylacine skull and spine, and the fallen crucifix – I knew that I wanted to begin with that. The crucified and broken bones of an extinct marsupial became the only fixed point in the entire future of the canvas

As I mentioned right at the start of this critique, I very quickly got into a ‘free-form’ mode of working where the painting itself takes on its own life and begins to tell me where the marks and the ideas are to be placed. I begin to act and feel like a channel between the extinct and violated Thylacine and its possible future as a metaphor for modernist painting – you can see that there is a lot of room for manouver between the two! The work is done at a furious pace – paint flying everywhere!

The layers and links and connections between the ideas and the paint build as the painting progresses – there is no pre-cognition at work here. There is absolutely no consideration of composition or aesthetic effect, any that does exist is purely accidental. (or subconscious) There is no intent to have an effect on any viewer – this work exists only in its making – It may, however, become another work when different eyes view it.
(another discussion)

mufa mufa 207 posts

There were several references to individual mind-sets in this discussion.
Tracy Bagnall has just added this excellent painting to the genre-gallery.
I remember looking at it a couple of months ago.
However as soon as I saw it again I realised why I had seen an English civil war with pikes in “extinction 08/1”.
I didn’t equate the two at the time.
Not a lot of control over the unconscious?
Spooky Freud-type stuff.
Please no, not Freud…..............

kafka kafka 2274 posts

As soon as you mentioned it (in your earlier post) I saw it, but only after you pointed it out. Just shows that even the painter themselves is not always aware of what they are painting! More remarkble is the fact that a few years ago I did a series of illustrations of the civil war and spent weeks drawing and painting these very scenes

Here is one of the prep drawings…....spooky or what?

(subconcious?....Freud??............aaaargh!!!)