Painters In Modern Times - TWO PER DAY
Extinction 08#1
|
|
This is the first of a new series (the paint is still wet as I write) I have tried to incorporate some of the ideas that have come up in our recent forum discussions – I am not sure how successfully (as usual the painting took over after a short while and took me with it)
Please let me know what you think of it. I won’t say too much about it at the moment other than, as usual, the compositional elements are relatively unimportant and it was painted using only three basic primaries to mix all the colours – pthalo blue, cadmium red and yellow ochre – with just a little white for mixing. Over to you…….I will just add that I am perfectly happy with it (it wouldn’t exist if I wasn’t) so don’t suggest any changes…..I would just like to know what you think of it, and what you think it could be about. |
|
|
Really glad you didn’t let us in on the mind-set. |
|
|
My initial reaction is that I love it. That strong red against the blue is brilliant. Its duality is perfectly balanced. The calmness (is that’s a word) of the top half of the image is set of so well by the activity and movement of the lower half. It’s almost like two worlds but just occasionally they violently meet with magnificent results. Oh and I just love the orange tones with the blue under painting peeking through, that’s just wonderful. |
|
|
May I say (holy shit?) who am I to comment…? Electricity, earth, christ and profound. The strength stands in your (limited, yet amazing) mix of colours. Your mind blowing blue positioned against your red comes forward with such power. Your freedom in strokes and the direction in which they lead allow the viewer to follow what you were thinking and how you felt at the time. Which I think has a lot to do with freedom (at the time of painting). It could go deeper – but your head remains yours (as mine does mine). I don’t know if any of this makes sense to you. |
|
|
When we were discussing Klee I remember saying something to the effect that respect and renown enhance the ‘quality’ of an artist’s work, because the viewer is willing to contribute more to the interaction. You have reached that stage on RB. A few months back I would have passed by this thumbnail – noting another pleasant [personal to someone] abstract. |
|
|
I am so tempted to spill some beans !! – I’m having a Rolf Harris moment…....can you tell what it is yet?! Seriously – I am very happy that you have all got a lot of the content (I think) This sort of critique is fascinating because it demonstrates how we all percieve things in a totally subjective way (something you have often spoken about) – yet parts and portions of my making of the work have clearly been conveyed to you all – each in a slightly different way, but each correct in a way that is relevant to yourselves and your own work. – do we ‘see’ as we ‘think’?......curiouser and curiouser…. Shall I reveal all? – or just a clue or two? This is fun….!! |
|
|
This refers to the title? Yes? Is it his stripes I see mirrored in your painting. |
|
|
In a way MB, I wanted an extinct animal that is also a symbol of extinction (still fresh in our minds) – also I liked the pun in the name Thylacine/pthalocyanine (appealed to my sense of humour) and I wanted the coincidence that it is an Australian animal because RB is Australian and a large part of the painting was inspired by our recent forum discussions here on RB – so in one sense the painting is about our group of painters…...so, yes – I can give you that bit definitely – the central element of the painting is the skull and spine of a Thylacine – the sadly, extinct, Tasmanian Wolf (Tiger) |
|
|
ps. he is a symbolic element – ie. he means something else entirely….... |
|
|
Well he definitely must be symbolic of mortality or the end of something – perhaps the classification of art….. guessing a bit now. |
|
|
You’re getting warm….... |
|
|
You did say that the compositional elements were relatively unimportant – should have listened to that. |
|
|
LOL ! |
|
|
c’mon Mufa, you think I’m nuts for finding a woman in Melissa Mailer-Yates ’ Puerto III ’ and here you see a whole army ;- ) the backbone was the most obvious to me (being a biologist perhaps influences that), but looking for something else I also saw the city plummeting into the abyss that Micmac mentioned, an illustration of the destruction of the environment leading to the destruction of ourselves is how I interpret this although I have to admit the painting is so beautiful in colour and contrast and texture that such an interpretation seems too dark. thinking about it, the beauty and the energy is the hope that we can still do something to stop this from becoming reality |
|
|
Marie, you still remember that!............. (took me ages, but I found her eventually!) |
|
|
aah not to worry Mufa, Micmac commented on the painting in Kafka’s gallery, not here in the forum, the voices (or text in this case) are still real! ” ... where a work of art actually resides. Is it in the creator’s perception, the physical artifact or the perception of the viewer?... ” looking forward to that discussion as well, to me there is only two options though, as I think the creator becomes a viewer herself as soon as the artwork is finished. |
|
|
Totally agree with you Marie. Subsequently, the creator is no different from any other viewer. I didn’t express it clearly enough. The first option should have been the creator’s intention. |
|
|
Hi Marie – you have ‘got’ one layer of the work, the problem with this sort of painting, like most of my ‘big’ paintings, is that I try to get too much going on (I absolutely love puzzles, codes and maps and my pictures are full of them. It really is interesting that you are recognising the things that relate to yourselves – as Mufa says, there is a lot of discussion to be had about this phenomena. - Back to the picture – The final, what I would term the most visual and literal layer of the painting is almost exactly as Marie said – it is an aerial view of landscape, shoreline city and docks (transfigured from the thylacine spine), and sea. In order to explain this element properly I have to give away another one – this layer interacts with the next layer which is (temporal) time which travels from the bottom to the top of the canvas. As we move up the canvas we move forward in time – Marie is exactly right, the city (civilisation) pollutes the future (red) and crumbles and collapses into it (the blue) However there is hope – which is present in the next layer of meaning below these two…....... ps. the colours are not really used for any emotive or expressive reasons. (even though they are naturally expressive in their own right) The reason for my only using three primaries is central to the third layer (hope) that I mentioned. |
|
|
hope… is the backbone and and the red supposed to form a cross perhaps (as a symbol of hope), is this why you had the canvas turned 90* to start with, to paint the cross? but it woudn’t be necessary with just 3 colours to paint a cross. also, for some reason (without having any clue as to your view on religion at all Kafka) I was not expecting religious symbolism, perhaps again this is just the subjective viewer looking for/expecting the presence or in this case absence of things that reinforce her own view of the world (very far from religious in my case). hmm, also you mention the third layer as being below the others so I should probably be looking for something subtler.. although I didn’t see the shape as a cross until you mentioned hope. and the cross has fallen to the side, perhaps the fall of religion is a symbol of hope (certainly religion has been used as an excuse for all sorts of atrocities through time and in my opinion we might well be better off without major religious movements in the world!) aah, just rambling now, and probably getting off hte track of the importance of using only 3 primary colours. |
|
|
You are really getting there now Marie – The cross/crucifix is used as a symbol of faith/hope – (not in a specific religious way), and yes, painting it upright and then ‘making it fall’ by turning the canvas is a symbol of fallen hope – it is not the fall of religion – it is the fall of…. layer 1 The Thylacine….crucified in the name of progress (and all other animals who have or will suffer the same fate unless the world gets it’s act together) layer 2 environment …...The red streak of paint is pollution (of the blue) it fades in gradually and smoothly from the base of the painting (growing stronger with time) until it burst forth from the body of the crumbling city/thylacine in a solid, dense slash of paint, uncontrolled into the future space of the painting (the blue) The complexity and narrative of our world’s ecological history (the land element) is being unalterably changed (into the blue future) layer 3 …....(something else) – to do with; ps. [turning the canvas when I paint is also something that I often do to deliberately break up any compositional aesthetics which distract me] |
|
|
Drawing conclusions from my initial thoughts about the work (which kafka previously knew about) and after reading the above comments I wanted to elaborate on what my reactions are to this wonderful and thoughtful modern painting. |
|
|
kafka this painting gives me anxiety, is it supose to do that? |
|
|
@bites – Your intuition is worth a thousand of my words – The (my) existential core of the work is my own horror at the absurdity of the world we have created and the various ways in which we are busy destroying it. I suspect that the anxiety the painting is causing you, is your own wonderful sense of empathy ‘tuning in’ to this visceral part of my head (which can be a dark place at times) @Robert – wonderful reading – The lower portions are of earthly coloration (from the trinity of primary colors) and have linear qualities which I perceive as being the connections and “strings” that link humanistic concepts and our affects through the passing of time. They are different ideas and historical events that cross, intersect, and bind us together in a visual way – absolutely correct. They are the strings and threads that are the ‘Grand Narratives’ of painting and philosophy. They lead to and connect with modernism (the Thylacine/ the fallen hope of painting) the strings lash the body of modernism to the past (the land element) and prevent its movement into the future (the blue) The red is the hope (it is the enabling creative force that runs through time – it breaks through the corpse of modernism to become…..a changeling?......post-modernism?.......Putism??........something else? (we do not know…it is in the future. So there it is – we have hit most of the buttons on this work. When I began the work none of the above ideas were assembled in any pre-planned way. They were just a very loose jumble of things that I knew I wanted to place somehow onto the surface of a canvas. The only elements that were there at the beginning were the Thylacine skull and spine, and the fallen crucifix – I knew that I wanted to begin with that. The crucified and broken bones of an extinct marsupial became the only fixed point in the entire future of the canvas As I mentioned right at the start of this critique, I very quickly got into a ‘free-form’ mode of working where the painting itself takes on its own life and begins to tell me where the marks and the ideas are to be placed. I begin to act and feel like a channel between the extinct and violated Thylacine and its possible future as a metaphor for modernist painting – you can see that there is a lot of room for manouver between the two! The work is done at a furious pace – paint flying everywhere! The layers and links and connections between the ideas and the paint build as the painting progresses – there is no pre-cognition at work here. There is absolutely no consideration of composition or aesthetic effect, any that does exist is purely accidental. (or subconscious) There is no intent to have an effect on any viewer – this work exists only in its making – It may, however, become another work when different eyes view it. |
|
|
There were several references to individual mind-sets in this discussion.
|
|
|
As soon as you mentioned it (in your earlier post) I saw it, but only after you pointed it out. Just shows that even the painter themselves is not always aware of what they are painting! More remarkble is the fact that a few years ago I did a series of illustrations of the civil war and spent weeks drawing and painting these very scenes Here is one of the prep drawings…....spooky or what?
(subconcious?....Freud??............aaaargh!!!) |


