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No shooting @ Southern Cross station

Tony Middleton Tony Middleton 131 posts

Last night I went to shoot an image at Southern Cross station. I knew where I wanted to shoot it from having walked through there so many times. So I found my spot that I wanted to shoot from on the northern end of the platforms along the walk bridge to ‘the dome’ ( I refuse to call it that stupid new sponsors name – lol).
Within the time it took to put my bag down and set my tripod up and begin to get my camera out I was set upon by 2 security guards ! They claimed there was to be no photos whatsoever to be taken of the station and if I wanted to photograph it then I required a media pass or permission from control management ! They also informed me that I was on their security cameras (naturally) and that’s how they picked me up… Unbelievable ! I was at then entire place for less than 5minutes….
I asked them numerous times why I could not take a photograph of it or what was the reasoning – to which I never got a legitimate answer – very annoying ! What is this country coming to ?

It is almost embarrassing to be an Australian with crap like this !

Has anyone else ever had issues in photographing Southern Cross or any Melb’s other architecture, scultures etc ?

jemimalovesbigted jemimalovesbigted 565 posts

all train stations have a no photograph policy… silly I know, but thems the rules… its a shame cause southern cross station is something to behold really (especially compared to how it used to be) maybe approach the powers that be and try to get permission. its a pain in the arse, but might be worth it.

Martin Creely Martin Creely 18 posts

Hi Tony
MMM, SC has a no shoot without permission policy in place for a while, for whatever reason, they seem more stringent than all the other stations…

Hicksy Hicksy 9 posts

I have heard this is the case. Although I have seen a brilliant shot taken in there at about 2am on a saturday night (the hired goons must have been getting their beauty sleep!!). There are details on the Southern Cross Station website that tells you how to obtain permission to take photos inside the station, however I do not know how “difficult” it is to get this permission.

I have also heard the same situation goes for the new performing arts centre just at the rear of the NGV. Then again it happens everywherenot just Australia. I remeber trying to set up a monopod inside the Lincoln Memorial in Washington DC and be told in no uncertain terms by a National Park Ranger that it wasnt the right thing to do!

Jared Revell Jared Revell 107 posts

Hi Tony,
I went inside Southern Cross station last year to take photos, but thought before I did take out my gear, I better check with management there, as I didn’t want to cause a scene. I was asked some staff, and they weren’t sure, but then one person told me to go to the security management office located at the other end of the station and sign in.
They didn’t have any issue with me taking photos, but they didn’t want me to use a tripod. I questioned this and it was to do with OH&S reasons, in the event someone tripped over my tripod.
I assured them that I’d set up the tripod against the edge of the bridge railing and it would be between me and the railing, so no one would be in any danger and they were happy with that.
But it was a lot of effort just to get a few shots.
Sorry to hear that you had to go through what you did, it is sad how things are.

Lisa Germany Lisa Germany 3 posts

At Melbourne Central Station I’ve also heard announcements warning commuters to not take photographs.

James Raynes James Raynes 10 posts

You can’t take photos at any of the loop stations, plus a few other I think. I’m pretty sure it’s for security reasons, i.e. they don’t want you taking perfect photographs of where to plant the bomb. It’s a right royal pain in the arse.

Frank Yuwono Frank Yuwono 14 posts

The painful truth is that if people want to do harm they can do it easily with mobile phone cameras these days. It would be quick and easy to get the details needed for a terrorist strike. The bad guys would not attract attention and be seen lugging a tripod and bagful of lenses then taking time exposures etc.
Isn’t it horrifying that the authorities are not smart enough to recognize the difference!
How do they expect to catch the real bad guys??

Andrew  Makowiecki Andrew Makowi... 47 posts

The issue in a lot of places seems to be the tripod. Eg at NGV at Fed Square no problems with taking photos but if using a tripod permission needs to be obtained.

At 333 Collins Street which has a lovely lobby with golden coloring and a dome I was told the rules are no tripod hand held ok. I was using a Mamiya RB 67 with prism hand held. For those who don’t know cameras the Mamiya with prism is just a bit smaller than a small tv.

I was a bit worried I may have to get permission to photograph at all. However the security guards laughed when they saw my camera and talked amongst themselves. They decided policy was policy and the Mamiya was ok.

333 Collins is a private building and I can understand them stopping hordes of tripod wielding photographers clogging up the lobby of a very expensive office block. Its not a good look.

For railway stations the policy seems a bit bizarre except for an OHS reason. I can understand tripods being a problem with the stations generally being crowded. As Jared said there are no problems taking pics the problem is with the tripod.

Maybe tripods are banned but there is no policy about monopods. Stand your ground if you are using a monopod, tell them to get their hands off you ahahha

John Conway John Conway 1053 posts

First up, it is private property so you need permission and the second is the tripod, could cause a OH & S issue.

I recently took some photos at Geelong Railway Station (for a wedding shoot) Policy was two things, Stay off the rails (yeah, that was a no brainer) and give a clear way for all commuters entering or leaving the carriage. He did say they could refuse as it was private property but appreciated I took the time to ask permission.

I have taken shots at Southern Cross (and with a tripod) from above and it was on a Saturday night too. A station Master walked past me and all he said was g’day. So I would probably try again in a few weeks (maybe a Sunday night)

Stephen McMillan Stephen McMillan 5 posts

connex have an amateur photography permit for use at all stationes except Southern cross and the underground stations.

http://www.connexmelbourne.com.au/index.php?id=56

I think Southern Cross is run by the Southern Cross Station Authority so you have to ask permission seperately. City loop stations I have no idea why they don’t permit it, studitiy and ignorance are the most likely reasons.
I went into Parliament on a weekend and took some handheld photos and was only challenged on the way out, but that was 4 years ago now

John Robb John Robb 1325 posts

Yep, as John says, Southern Cross station is private property (for the next few decades at least). The scary thing is that a lot of so called public places are actually privately owned – and they can tell you to go away if they want.

Alexander Edwards Alexander Edwards 116 posts

The tripod is the give away. Many buildings staff and city councils will give you the benefit of the doubt and consider you a tourist or maybe amateur if you’re not using a tripod. As soon as you put your tripod down you’re effectively ‘installing’(their word, not mine) an apparatus in place which then would require signage and so on to prevent accidents(ie. lawsuits).

There is also the issue that some places use the desirability of their location as a way of making money via permits, etc.

transmute transmute 535 posts

It is private property as previously mentioned, but they cannot stop you from taking a shot from outside as long as you’re on public land. Without a property release however, you’re unable to on sell it for any commercial purpose.

Nicole Finlayson Nicole Finlayson 19 posts

I was shooting a model at the train station where I live and I’m in Gippsland Victoria – tiny station when the guard told me that due to the government’s new Anti-Terrorism laws, it is now illegal to take photos of any government owned building including trains stations and that you aren’t allowed to take photos at all anymore.

He was nice enough to not see me until i was finished though :)

AmandaWitt AmandaWitt 26184 posts

I took a photo of the blue patterned wall at Parliament last year and had no problems – though I only have a small handheld digital camera.
I’ve also taken photos of a few country stations in the last few months and haven’t been challenged.

John Robb John Robb 1325 posts

when the guard told me that due to the government’s new Anti-Terrorism laws, it is now illegal to take photos of any government owned building including trains stations and that you aren’t allowed to take photos at all anymore

No there is nothing illegal in taking shots of government buildings here in Victoria – sometimes guards like to overstate the rules.

John Conway John Conway 1053 posts

give them a cap and a uniform and they think they are the law…...sheeesh

Ahmad Sabra Ahmad Sabra 70 posts

do i have to hand back the photos i took of puffing billy?

starvingartist starvingartist 95 posts

“It is private property as previously mentioned, but they cannot stop you from taking a shot from outside as long as you’re on public land. Without a property release however, you’re unable to on sell it for any commercial purpose.”

Actually that’s not correct, if you can shoot it from public land that has no caveats over it about permits for shooting, then you can sell that image for commercial use. Certainly in Australia at least.

As a stock photographer I do run into problems with overseas photo libraries who wont accept pictures of buildings without a property release, but this is based on them “covering their backsides” for all eventualities, its just easier for them. They are wrong to reject pictures of buildings photographed in Australia, but its their rules.

Kim House Kim House 11 posts

When the new Southern Cross Station was being built it was stated then that no photographs were to be taken due to terrorism. I use the station everyday and tourists seem to be able to take shots as long as you are quick. I have some great night shots of the platforms but I was stopped once when I was actually taking photos of the trains. It does depend on the time of day and how tired the staff are or if they can be bothered, hand held is easier than tripod. Great shots that I know I cannot sell but keep for myself.

Alvin Wong Alvin Wong 10 posts

All this is in place because of all the bombing in the UK. Australia is started to put all these rules up now just to “try” and stop terrorism. In the UK now it’s even worst. U can’t even take a photo of a bus without getting a fine.

but with all these rules in place, they generally only don’t allow ppl with SLRs to take photos. If u use ur mobile phone or small digital camera, u will be fine. I personally thing that if i was going to be a terrorist, I can’t be borthered with a huge SLR and would go for the small digital camera instead… and i won’t have been noticed or caught.

but such is the world coming to these days. I suppose at the end of the day, we just have to take the first step and ask for permission hey?

starvingartist starvingartist 95 posts

It’s all just complete BS anyway. There has never been any evidence showing any photographic surveillence being done prior to any of the recent major terrorist attacks.

transmute transmute 535 posts

@starvingartist – I beleieve this is correct, but I may be wrong. I actually work as an Account Executive at a fairly large global stock library, and you are not able to use images of privately owned buildings for commercial purposes without a property release regardless of where you took it from. You can however, license it for editorial uses.

starvingartist starvingartist 95 posts

No you are wrong, sounds very much to me that you have swallowed the propoganda of your masters without the facts.