WINDOWS 7

Mike Manley Mike Manley 305 posts

I have been installing and using all versions of Windows since DOS 1.0
All of them have had issues of one sort or another and consequentially Microsoft became well known for it’s buggy operating systems.Windows XP from service pack 1 clearly has become a very mature and stable system.Still prone to the odd crash but on the whole very stable,

Widows 7 (Ultimate) is one hell of an improvement over Vista,No two ways about it.
While Windows 7 has some of the feel and look of Vista the difference in performance and usability is substantial.
It is an OS that is easy to navigate and very intuitive to use.

I have installed it on a $90.oo 2ghz compaq box with 512megs of ram.
The difference in performance between XP with service pack 3 and Win 7 is substantial.Win 7 is staying on this box.
So I was wondering how many of you have actually upgraded and started using Windows 7

Doug Wilkening Doug Wilkening 307 posts

Any issues with upgrading a box from Vista to Win 7? My wife is badgering for the upgrade, and my high-school age nephews tell me I’m retro for not having upgraded already.

Mike Manley Mike Manley 305 posts

As a computer tech I spent more time taking Vista off computers in the last two years than anything else.
I upgraded from XP SP2 without any issues at all.
I suspect the upgrade from Vista to 7 would be pretty painless too.
Windows 7 IS Vista heavily modified and improved.
CHECK first that all external device have drivers available for 7
CHECK first that your mainboard drivers are available for 7
Any non-Microsoft software…..check for updates.
Download everything needed first before moving to 7
And back up just in case.

I crashed Windows 7 tonight doing something I knew I shouldn’t have.I went ahead and did it anyway.
I was very impressed with the new Windows 7 pre-boot option called “startup repair”...IT WORKED.

Julie Langford Julie Langford 5321 posts

Ive been running a beta copy of Windows 7 for about 5 months [on another PC], and its a really cool OS, with a lot of advantages over Vista – alas, it still has quite a few issues with compatibility though [with some programs]. Im sure they will sort all that out soon enough though, then I will be switching over on my main PC as well.

Dan Perez Dan Perez 1222 posts

I’ve never had the problems with Vista that so many other people have had. At first, I would get that message for certain programs like PS, that said there were compatibility problems. It gave me the option to run the progam anyway, which i would do, and it worked fine. Eventually a windows update took care of the message.

So, now I’m a bit reluctant to upgrade and possibly start all over again with potential problems.

Christopher  Ewing Christopher E... 2333 posts

jumping right into win7 from win xp..i like it
love that search option within the start
refused to go thru the vista trip
dunno about compatibility just yet, coming tonite
so for now…thumbs up on win7

joan warburton joan warburton 2485 posts

I have all intentions of upgrading to Windows 7 from Vista. I’ve not been happy with Vista at all.

roadworx roadworx 7 posts

Dan-
I’ve personally thought that Vista was a very good OS.
As a techie who had to install and service it though,I found the biggest problem was the end users ability to navigate it.
Friendliness and usability were the major issues for Vista as well as the need to have a very powerful computer to run it properly.
Windows 7 has this intuitive usability and backwards compatability that Vista never had.
Out of the box & has 44 running processes in the background,Vista had 76 and XP 36.
I have been running the full version of 7 Ultimate now for over a month and love it,
However at this time as it installed on an old Compaq used solely on the Internet I can’t tell you if I am going to run into problems with external hardware devices.
All software I have downloaded and installed has worked without any problems.Though some upgrades were needed.

I should point out though…....................that for the last ten years I have ALWAYS advised clients to never upgrade any Windows until the first service pack is released and to always wait 3 to 6 months before upgrading.(I will still tell and do tell clients to wait another three months before installing Win 7 if the environment in which it is going to be installed is “mission critical”

But on the whole I am very impressed with the ease of use.(I think Microsoft has finally got it RIGHT !)

Kez08 Kez08 205 posts

If you want to upgrade from XP to Win 7 then you’ll need another PC with a shared drive on your network or a flash drive (eg: USB stick – 4gig or larger) or an external hard drive.

Upgrade instructions can be found here

Vista to Win7 is just a straight forward process.

roadworx roadworx 7 posts

If you want to upgrade from XP to Win 7 then you’ll need another PC with a shared drive on your network or a flash drive (eg: USB stick – 4gig or larger) or an external hard drive.
RUBBISH !

Kez08 Kez08 205 posts

I neglected to add the “if you want to Migrate Files and Settings” part.

Cheers for the friendly, informative response though.

Randy Monteith Randy Monteith 23 posts

Dell just sent me my replacement Drive along with the Windows 7 Upgrade , they owed me cause my old 320 gig developed bad sectors. So tomorrow I will be reinstalling Vista and then upgrading to windows 7.

I’‘ll let you know how it goes and what i think!

Russell Greenwood Russell Greenwood 111 posts

@roadworx – What Mr Rhadamanthine is saying is, there’s no “in-place” upgrade from Windows XP to Windows 7 – you have to clean install and reinstall all your apps. This isn’t just from XP, also some versions of Vista to certain versions of 7 need clean installs also.

Here’s the chart, the green squares are the ONLY situations that you can “in-place” upgrade automatically – all the blue squares you’ll need to clean install and follow the instructions linked to earlier:

It’s absurd that it’s that hard to upgrade from certain versions of Vista to 7, ridiculous.

John Robb John Robb 1325 posts

Thanks Russell for beating me to the punch and linking everyone to the upgrade matrix. Alas the one shown above that MS has produced is a wonderful piece of needless complexity which in itself which is a shame. Ed Bott on ZD net has produced a simplified version of the chart by taking into account that if you want to change between 32 and 64 bit versions then you have to do a fresh install rather than an in place upgrade.

The fresh install isn’t as draconian as it sounds since the data on the old drive is preserved for access, and the Easy Transfer tool is available – the drudge work is in reinstalling the applications.

Also note the best way of checking how well things will go is to use the Windows 7 upgrade advisor and start from the results it gives – generally most of the problems it finds are minor but it is comprehensive.

Mike Manley Mike Manley 305 posts

As I pointed out at the start of this topic, I installed Windows 7 Ultimate as an UPGRADE..saving anything wasn’t an issue.
Which is why I installed the Ultimate version.
All major OEM sellers and providers are and have been selling the UPGRADE to Windows 7 option.(Australia)

As with any FULL version of Windows,you are given choice during the install as to whether you want to upgrade or clean install.
You also have had the H.C.L (hardware compatability list) available on each NT version of Windows as you have also had the File and transfer Wizard.
My install was XP 2 to Windows 7.
The installation was painless as NOTHING is ever saved on the Boot drive of any computer I use.
The only issue I have had was withe the Anti Virus not updating cleanly (resolved)/
All system drivers were installed by default.
All software other than the anti-virus works fine.

As with any OS upgrade there are always issues,always have been.
A clean install is always best.

The original query here was who is also using Windows 7 and What do they think of it in comparison to the previous version of Windows they were using.

John Robb John Robb 1325 posts

Ok back to the original concept.

Been using WIn7 since RC1 at my work environment. The biggest problem in a corporate situation has been getting the headspace around the new management tools that need to be used – something that isn’t really a problem in a SOHO setting.

At home I installed over XP using a fresh HDD soon after launch with professional 64bit edition. Speed is OK on 2GB (the experience would suck somewhat on less than 1GB) and overall things seem good. It’s better than Vista in speed. It shows it’s origins as a rewrite to Vista – which even though much maligned wasn’t the horrible ogre some made it out to be.

Bugs on installation were a TV tuner card and a not-recognised-during-install printer. Sort of expected the former since the tuner card was a bit old.

Good things – has power shell included, divx codec included, good backup and restore software in the professional version, media centre much improved, UAC still around to help stop mishaps, homegroup, great hardware support

Bad things – searching out of the box is still a bit sucky, charging lots for ultimate is a bit rich since it only has bitlocker on top, explorer navigation and profile folders are a bit all over the place, bad pricing in AU$

Overall not a bad piece of work.

Julie Langford Julie Langford 5321 posts

All software other than the anti-virus works fine.

May I ask what software bundles you use Mike? Photoshop? Corel Painter? Dreamweaver? Flash?

These are some that I experienced problems with on the beta version of Windows 7. If those have been resolved now, I will be happy to instal a new copy onto my main machine.

John Robb John Robb 1325 posts

Julie, Norton’s 2010 AV works ok – you could always use MS’s own free AV (Microsoft Security Essential) or other free products. I tend to avoid third party firewall products – MS’s own is perfectly fine.

Other software products are all pretty good – if in doubt you should think about Windows 7 Professional which has specific compatibility mode using virtual technology called Windows XP mode

Julie Langford Julie Langford 5321 posts

Cheers John

I am not too worried about antivirus, I dont use third party software, and tend to agree with you that it isnt really needed.

I run the beta on anotehr PC, and its really great, but I have had compatibilty issues with some of the programs that I use regularly. I will have to do some research to see how things have improved since the first beta release.

Mike Manley Mike Manley 305 posts

Avoiding issues with software.
No 1:NEVER install beta versions of anything.(unless you have a lot of patience)
No2:-I agree with John:-if you are using Windows stick to Microsoft software wherever possible.Third party software should only be used where essential.Adobe/Illustrator/Photoshop and other well know names that have a CORPORATE presence generally work without issues on Windows.
No-3:
As John has pointed out running software in Windows XP mode,for me so far has worked well (Photoshop 5,7 and CS2)
The Anti-Virus software that had a problem was Checkpoints Zone Alarm.But then I have had issues with it since Checkpoint took over Zone Alarm.
I currently have AVG installed and it is working fine.
As I pointed out before Windows 7 IS Vista heavily modified.Anything that runs on Vista should run on Win 7.
Win 7 is a major improvement and a MAJOR SYSTEM CHANGE,
Prepare for it before installing.
i am using Windows 7 to do this.
Win XP kept crashing/freezing and locking up on this system.Windows 7 removed all problems with this old box natively.
The hard drive on this box is 11 years old and runs as new under Win 7,(I’m impressed).
There are a lot of other aspects of Win 7 I am impressed with,but no doubt each users experience will be slightly different.

For those of you more technically literate:
I test all major system change software FIRST in a virtual environment using these packages;

VIRTUAL PC (used to be Connectix) now owned by Microsoft and free for download.(Use this to run Windows 7 on your computer in a VIRTUAL environment without impacting on anything now installed)
VMWares VMware Workstation here “http://store.vmware.com”
Parallels Parrallels Workstation here “http://www.parallels.com/landingpage”
Mac OS or Windows? Parallels Desktop® 5 for Mac lets you seamlessly run Windows and Mac OS X side-by-side, drag-and-drop your files between operating systems, and run Windows software on your Apple computer without rebooting.

Virtual Operating Systems are very easy to set up and use.If you can install a OS from the setup Disc (Boot off it and install)
Then you can very easily set up and run Virtual OS.
These Virtual OS’es have been around for at least 11 years that I know of (and have been using)
This is where I have previously referred to running all Versions of Windows,Linux and Mac on my main Server?computer at home.
I can switch between OS’es without rebooting on the fly.
It is where I test everything before installing anything on a clients computer.
Virtual OS’es can be used like any computer and have the added advantage,of when things go pear shaped,you just delete the computer and open another one.(something I used to do when my Virus testing when pear shaped)

The simple rule with computers,is if it’s working well and you can maintain your work flow and productivity without upgrading,then DON’T.
Upgrading for the sake of upgrading is pointless.
But if your system becomes trashed from normal use.THEN is good a time as any to upgrade to the next best thing.
As much as I am impressed so far by Win 7 ULTIMATE,my main workstation will remain as is.Where it’s now been for 5 years without upgrades or change.BECAUSE it works and works well.
When it fallsover,then I will upgrade it.

Ravenor Ravenor 303 posts

I will not be upgrading to Windows 7 because of a small but essential “to me,with having thousands of images” option is missing..

In windows explorer I always turn off auto-arrange so that I am able to move my folders and files around, so that i know where things are, especially my countless folders and sub-folders with all my images in.. but because auto arrange is permanently on I’m unable to move anything. The auto-arrange feature is on by default in Windows 7 explorer and cannot be turned off, except on the desktop… which is useless to me.

The first thing that I have always done since windows 95 is to TURN OFF auto-arrange in folders so that I can arrange items in folders, exactly where i want them to be, exactly where I can easiest find them, and now they have taken this simple but essential feature away.. there are lots of other options in Windows 7 for sorting files or sub-folders within a folder, but none of them are of any use to me whatsoever…

I have an old bookcase at home, all my books are arranged just as I want them to be, for example, I use my reference books the most so I have placed them on the shelf that is the easiest to reach…. where I know they will stay.. now what if I decided to replace the bookcase with a new one, and every time I tried to place a book where I wanted it to be…. it just slid along the shelf to a different place, or jumped down a couple of shelves… lol.. I would either smash it up and burn it, or take it back to the shop (probably the former) This is the laughable scenario with Windows 7…. it may be fast, stable, look very pretty and be fun to play with but when it comes to serious stuff I think it is sadly lacking somewhat..

Mike Manley Mike Manley 305 posts

Julie:-
BETA versions of anything are incomplete software packages released by lazy developers and programmers.
They are put on the market for two reasons
1) Finished product looking for input from end users
2) un-finished product released onto market for end users to test for bugs.(this is the one that can screw your system up badly)
While the Windows 7 beta version worked very well,it wasn’t free of bugs and was also an incomplete package.Issues and Features on Beta versions don.t always transfer to Full retail versions.Unless you have an old system for testing or run a virtual OS Beta installing Beta versions is great way to have a really buggy system.
3) Even when a Beta version runs well and bug free,it doesn’t mean that it won’t cause conflict with other software or drivers.These two areas are where most conflict occurs with new OS’es,(and where the less informed tend to immediately bag Microsoft when things go pear shaped).

Avoid Beats and let someone else do the unpaid work and repairs.

Julie Langford Julie Langford 5321 posts

Julie:-
BETA versions of anything are incomplete software packages released by lazy developers and programmers.
They are put on the market for two reasons
1) Finished product looking for input from end users
2) un-finished product released onto market for end users to test for bugs.(this is the one that can screw your system up badly)

Well, Mike, I dont use them for either of the above – hence why its on a machine I dont use. I use beta version simply to try things on for size. I dont use them online, and I dont send feedback – its just a way to see if I like it. For instance – I loved XP when it released in Beta, even with the compatibilty nightmares – and was ready for it when it was released properly. Millenium – tried that out and hated it – so didnt even entertain moving over to it.

I really like Windows 7 – bar the compatibility issues I have on this beta – as long as those are fixed now, I cant wait to move over to the full release on my main machine.

Randy Monteith Randy Monteith 23 posts

The other night I installed the new Hardrive from Dell and now sat there looking at this Blank HD.

I bought the Windows 7 upgrade and was supposed to put Vista on first and then UPGRADE it to Windowds 7.0

But me being lazy ? Smart After I paid $100 less for the Upgrade as apposed the Full Version of Windows 7, I tried a Custom Install of Windows 7

it worked up til I put in the Serial # and then it told me INVALID Serial #???

I called MicroSoft and they told me my Serial # was ok?? They put me thru to TECH support the guy fixed it over the net.

Then I asked him , ” So next time I need to install Vista first and then Windows 7 right??”

He said ” Nope your activated now and the Serial # is registered in your name, so next time when you format the hardrive just install the Windows 7 upgrade”

So now I saved my self time and $100 !!!!

Lol

So far everyhitng is working faster and fine!

MicroSoft doesn’t give you an Email program anymore and thier Windows Live crap Email program sucks!!!

So I downloaded FireFox’s companion program ThunderBird, which is a free Email program!! Works like a charm and I like it!!!

Randy

Randy Monteith Randy Monteith 23 posts

In regards to BETA software and releases of new software. I used to BETA test software for Corel and I can tell you ALL programs are STILL BETA even when you grabbed the nice new Shiny Wrapped version off of the shelf at your local retailer!!

The pennypinchers don’t care that the software still has bugs in it! they just tell everyone to get it out there so they can get money back now!!!

Randy