Naughty or not naughty? that is the Qu (locked)

I just get the feeling that there’s a little of that “well, if that’s what they want then that’s what they’ll get” going on. And, while one may be technically righteous going about it that way, it is ultimately self-defeating… in my opinion, anyway. RB staff will either be overloaded to the point of neglecting other duties, pissed off at what they may see as a rather transparent means of foot-stomping to get attention, or simply ignore and see just how valuable said members unpaid time & determination actually is to them.

I would imagine that the last thing ADMIN would want is for us to stop reporting them.

Concidering this is an adult site, I dont see a problem with the site being unavailable to the schools anywhere.
This is the issue, this is an Adult site, there is an age requirement to join up.
If this wasnt the case, then fine, No nudes period. Because we all know, kids WILL hunt for naked shots, all kids do it, it’s natural to them.
Id prefer to keep this site as an adult site and allow Adults to have this site to express their form of art, then censor it and still have children hunt for nude images.

Concidering this is an adult site, I dont see a problem with the site being unavailable to the schools anywhere

if it is an adult site, it must adhere to the Restricted Access System.
@Peter Is this technically an adult site or not???

edit: i have heard contradictions, that’s why i ask

it would be excellent if we could hear from SOMEONE to clarify if this is indeed deemed to be an adult site or not

RB info -
RedBubble is an online art gallery that makes it easy to sell your art, photos, designs and illustrations as high-quality framed prints, mounted prints, greeting cards, posters, designer T-Shirts and more.

On the retail end of RB I see no mention of it being an adult site. There is nothing stating that children should not be allowed to view contents. This is why the filter is important, not just for children, but anyone using RB in their work place, since that could include schools, government offices and places that have very strict rules about sexual content.

Tanya: It’s the members who feel like it’s a thankless task.

From Peter:

So please let’s look at things from a broader perspective … and I think the golden rule here don’t do it if you’re not enjoying it. Don’t burn your self out reporting pornographic images … the community is large and we can share the work. Maybe it will take us an extra week or two to get to all the images if you’re not burning the midnight oil reporting them … but so be it. I think that’s a better outcome than a bunch of burnt out folks.

Tanya: it would be excellent if we could hear from SOMEONE to clarify if this is indeed deemed to be an adult site or not

From Peter:

@Steve – we don’t want your 7 year old granddaughter on the site. RedBubble has been set up for folks over the age of 16 – there are a bunch of things on the site (not the least of which is nudity) that are inappropriate for a 7 year old.

It’s all in the thread, although I understand that it’s become a bit too big to read the whole thing now. Which is a shame, because Peter did come in early and clearly lay out RedBubble’s views and future plans regarding pornography.

Damien, thank you :)

@kathleen – i meant RB. obviously it is not an adult site if the content is public

It’s all in the thread, although I understand that it’s become a bit too big to read the whole thing now.

Sorry for not being clear. I meant to ask the question in a legal sense :)

With the filters in proper use, it wouldn’t be necessary – although there are non-nude images that might not be acceptable for young children as Peter had stated.

well, yes it would be because anyone (member or not) has the option of turning the filter off

If I turn on the filter, it will only work with images that already have the filter, correct?

Guys – I’m going to close down this discussion. It’s become too long, repetitive and multifaceted for the staff to engage with, a lot of the information that we’ve posted is now being lost because it’s so far back and I think a lot of the posts have been made with the hope/intention that the staff would read and take things on board (and we’re not able to do this at the moment as there are a lot of other balls we’re keeping in the air). I think what needs to happen is that the dust needs to settle from our recent policy changes and their implementation. And I think this will take a week or two.

To summarize the RedBubble position, we recognize that erotic and pornographic imagery are legitimate areas for artistic expression. However, such images are often very evocative and have the potential to dominate a site such as RedBubble – ultimately threatening the site’s diversity. Because we want to maintain diversity we have guidelines on the erotic or pornographic imagery that can be published on RedBubble.

So we have drawn a line in the sand (below) to reduce the risk that nude images dominate the site. But there will still be many nude images on RedBubble. This decision is not made from any sort of moral perspective – again we think erotic and pornographic imagery are legitimate subjects for artistic expression.

In formulating our updated policy we want some common sense to prevail. That’s why we have allowed some scope for interpretation in the guidelines. I understand that this may make them a little harder to understand (for example, what is gratuitous) but the risk in having strict guidelines is that we remove work that is in now way threatening to ‘dominate’ the site.

Below are our updated guidelines (Jo will be updating these guidelines with some links to images that we think are okay – to help explain our guidelines with examples).

Thanks for your contribution to this discussion.

Peter

The member base of RedBubble is extremely diverse and the collection of art published on RedBubble reflects this diversity. We also recognise that erotic and pornographic imagery are legitimate areas for artistic expression. However, such images are often very evocative and have the potential to dominate a site such as RedBubble – ultimately threatening the site’s diversity. Because we want to maintain diversity we have guidelines on the erotic or pornographic imagery that can be published on RedBubble.

Works which include the following content may be removed from RedBubble without notice. Please note that the following descriptions are graphic:

• Erections
: Male nudes with an erection or close-ups of erect penises

• Masturbation: 
Both male and female masturbation where hands come into contact with genitalia in real or stimulated masturbation/fondling

• Sexual Intercourse
: Explicit and gratuitous foreplay. Displays of sexual intercourse showing genitalia in direct contact including, but not limited to, male to female, female-to-female and male to male. 
Genital sex acts including oral to genital contact, genital to anal contact, oral to anal contact and sexual penetration.

• Sexual body fluids (including simulated): 
Semen and vaginal fluids. Urine when considered in a sexual context.

• Sex Toys and Aids: 
“Sex toys” in use with genitalia or in a clear sexual context including but not limited to penis-rings, dildos, strap-ons, vibrators etc.

• Vaginal or Anal Spreading
: Manually spread vaginas or anuses (either sex) by hand or manipulated open by any other artificial means.

• Penises and Vaginas: Any image that is deemed to be gratuitous – definition of gratuitous: “unnecessary or unwarranted”. This will generally include close up vagina images or images that show intimate details of a vagina.

• Children: We exercise a conservative approach to images of children, and request that children are appropriately clothed. We define a child as anyone under the age of 18.

• General Titillation: Images constructed with the primary purpose of sexually exciting the viewer and where no attempt at an artistic statement has been made. In assessing an image’s ‘artistic statement’ any benefit of the doubt will be given to the artist.

Work which falls outside these guidelines may be removed without prior warning. Repeated violation may lead to the suspension or deletion of a users account.

If you see an artwork on RedBubble which you feel breaches these guidelines, you may report it using the links provided around the site. Each reported work will be reviewed and assessed on a case-by-case basis however we are not able to reply to each individual report. We endeavor to review reported artworks within a few days.