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sparrowdk sparrowdk 188 posts

Dana DiPasquale Dana DiPasquale 2855 posts

hard to see when it is that small of a preview

sparrowdk sparrowdk 188 posts

sorry about the frame i was following Byron’s tutorial
if u see this thanks it worked.

as for the pic is it interesting and does it tell a story. would there be a case for blending something with it or is there enough texture in it
thanks

sparrowdk sparrowdk 188 posts

well there is no frame so i suppose i shouldn’t be sorry for that :/

sparrowdk sparrowdk 188 posts

it looks like i should be sorry Dana is very quick :)

Dana DiPasquale Dana DiPasquale 2855 posts

LOL… i’m sneaky that way. if you use the image url from your art EDIT pages, the preview size is perfect for forums

sparrowdk sparrowdk 188 posts

thx

Theodore Black Theodore Black 78 posts

i like the way you used DOF on this to keep your eye along the major diagonal it works real well placing the fish with teeth on the lower left power point also works well with me. I would hang this on my wall (my wife on the other hand lol) anyhow really enjoyed the picture keep getting close!

sparrowdk sparrowdk 188 posts

thanks mate :)

Adriana Glackin Adriana Glackin 2995 posts

Hey Mik, I really like this! I’m a sucker for shallow dof, and the glittery bokeh you’re captured is great. I also like the comp and tones of this image. While I wouldn’t hang this on my wall, I can certainly see it hanging in a fish monger’s shop, or a seafood cafe. I keep looking at it, so that’s a good thing isn’t it? LOL!

Out of interest, what lens did you use? (Just collating info here…)

sparrowdk sparrowdk 188 posts

Thanks Adriana. i still got some things to post at some time from that shoot last year but i got to get all the permissions first.
i used a nikkor 50mm 1:1.8 lens at 1.8 and 1/125
i find that it is sharp and gives a very large range of DOF
:)

Dana DiPasquale Dana DiPasquale 2855 posts

i keep picturing the movie Alien

sparrowdk sparrowdk 188 posts

lol
i can see why

Adriana Glackin Adriana Glackin 2995 posts

i used a nikkor 50mm 1:1.8 lens at 1.8 and 1/125

yep, I though it was something like that. I’m getting to know equipment, so that’s good for me! yeh!

And Dana – that image – what the hell is that – and now I know why I don’t watch horror movies – yikes, it’s the stuff of nightmares!!

Theodore Black Theodore Black 78 posts

That is exactly what i was picturing when i saw that picture lol great minds maybe?????

Dana DiPasquale Dana DiPasquale 2855 posts

get over it girl. alien is a classic and not really horror – sci fi/action

Adriana Glackin Adriana Glackin 2995 posts

hey, the closest I’ve gotten to sci-fi is watching some of forbidden planet the other night – the hi-tech special fx were enough to scare me away from sci-fi forever! LOL!

See that fish image of Mik’s doesn’t hold those ‘alien’ connotations as I have no idea about that movie. Ooo, this would make a good topic…

Mary Campbell Mary Campbell 1318 posts

I do not like the shallow DOF in this instance, as too much is in the blurred part and the eye that is in focus is way over in the corner. A different crop moving it over and up might make it better and also getting rid of some of the blur at the top.

BYRON BYRON 3115 posts

Sparrowdk wrote:

sorry about the frame i was following Byron’s tutorial…

ohhhhh, so we are playing the blame game now are we Mr Sparrowdk???? From memory, I did suggest using the “Laminated Print” option…

You only get nasty critiques from now on!!!

Nice choice of matte colour and Frame material though. Definitely goes with this image.

Proper non-nasty critique will arrive shortly…

Yes Dana, I thought of that scene from Alien too.

BYRON BYRON 3115 posts

FIRST IMPRESSIONS
Love the colours, love those teeth. Good use of DOF – looks like he used a “Lensbaby”.

TECHNICAL QUALITY (out of 10 points)
Settings:
Nikkor 50mm 1:1.8 lens
f1.8
1/125sec.

Nikkor make fantastic lenses and it shows here. The f1.8 is super-fast and allows for some very creative use of Depth of Field (DOF).

Exposure: Basically good, but there are some areas, especially in the lower left region that are burnt-out (over-exposed) and have resulted in a loss of detail. This burn-out is particularly distracting.

Before and after any post production work, try squinting your eyes when looking at your photo. The parts you can see will be the brightest. Do you really want that part to be the most “attention-seeking” aspect of your photo?

This can be corrected in post-production by creating a B&W negative layer and doing some careful blending of the layers to restore some detail in those areas. Conversely you could under-expose slightly when taking the shot, which is what I always do since digital cameras have a tendency to over-expose slightly anyway.

Blacks are nice and black, which is refreshing to see.

Lighting: I am going to assume that this was in a fish shop or fish market of some kind…

Lighting then would have been quite bright and from above, which is apparent from the burn-out in the lower left region. Lighting would have been quite evenly distributed.

I don’t think the bright areas have been balanced against the dark areas very well.

Colour Saturations: There aren’t a lot of colours here. Mostly blacks, browns, some reds and golds.

Saturations are very nice, and the fish have a very “wet” look about them.

Focus / Depth of Field: Very good use of DOF, and the focus on those teeth seems to be super-sharp, which draws the viewer’s eyes immediately, over and over…

The position of the focussed area makes me think you have used a Lensbaby to focus only a certain region of the image. Either way, I like the focus and DOF. They both work very well to maintain interest in the most intriguing part of this image.

Sharpness: As I said before, the focus/sharpness is superb on those teeth. Very good choice and execution of technique.

Score: 8

INTEREST (out of 10 points)
Aesthetics / General appearance: The colours are intense and attractive. The DOF and Focus is interesting. This image caught my attention straight away because of the use of colour saturation and DOF.

Emotional Content: As has been commented by Dana, this is quite an emotive image. Comparisons to the “Alien” movie are well deserved. I know this was not your intent, but anyone who has seen those films would have quite a physical reaction to this image. I know I did.

Those teeth are very menacing and I think most viewer’s would have silently thought “I reckon that would hurt if it bit me!”

Storytelling ability / Creative communication of a concept or idea: You have taken this shot away from a predictable “fish in a fish shop” photo and concentrated on something else altogether. I think you have communicated feeling and emotion here very well by good use of Point of View, Focus and DOF.

Originality: Pleasantly different. After a quick scan through RedBubble, searching for “FISH” I did not find any images that looked like this one.

Score: 8.5

COMPOSITION (out of 10 points)
Framing / Cropping: I think the framing is fine. I like the inclusion of the fish on the lower left region because you can see its eye. But I would like to have seen the camera pointed slightly to the right a bit more, mostly to avoid the burn-out on the lower left region.

You can not see the eyes of the other fish (including Mr Teeth) which is a shame, but fish have their eyes on the side so it is hard to include their eyes with front-on photographs. However if the fish to the right of Mr Teeth had his eyes visible – that would have been awesome. He would have been staring at the viewer while the other was showing his teeth!

Simplicity of Design: Fish fish and more fish. Nothing else is really needed to tell this story.

Simple clean construction.

Points of Interest: Teeth and eyes. The POI have been enhanced by good use of DOF and Focus.

Rule of Thirds: n/a

Lines & Diagonals: n/a

Balance / Use of Negative Space: When squinting at this image there are some dark areas and some bright areas which don’t balance each other at all. This is only a minor issue here, but one worth remembering since it would subtly improve what is already a good image.

Score: 7.5

GENERAL COMMENTS
I like this photo.

Nice use of colour saturations and DOF/Focus.

Some minor issues with balance between dark & bright areas, framing and burn-outs, but overall a good photo with plenty of emotion.

Unfortuneatly it is somewhat of a “record-shot” and viewers’ interest may wain after a few viewings, but that does not detract from this being, of its type and style, a good photograph.

Well done.

Total Score : 24 / 30

sparrowdk sparrowdk 188 posts

wow Byron
what a great critique
i will go back and darken the lower left. having had a good look at what u said i must agree that it does take the eye. as for the cropping unfortunately that was the whole pic uncropped so there isn’t much that can change with that :(
thank you so much for taking the time to do all that it really is appreciated and very unexpected
Ps sorry about he blame the tut was good though.
PPS what is a “Lensbaby”.

BYRON BYRON 3115 posts

Hiya Sparrowdk,

A LENSBABY is a very cool attachement that you place on the front of your lens and by moving it around, you can select certain areas of your image to be in focus. Of course the rest of the image will be out of focus.

Lensbaby also now make a pseudo “TILT-SHIFT” lens attachment. Very Very cool.

DragonFlyer DragonFlyer 1215 posts

I’ve just heard about ‘lensbaby’ and the ‘tilt-shift’ attachment for the first time in the last few days. They sound sensational bits of equipment.

Re this image – I love the use of colour saturation – wonderful tones throughout the image.

Disagree re composition though – I find the shallow dof – large out-of -focus area – WONDERFUL teeth – in-focus eye in bottom LH corner too balanced – can’t go into Byron’s detail re rules and effects of negative space though seems to me there’s pretty much a 50-50 balance between the in-focus area and the out of focus area – almost straight down the diagonal across the image – but I find even when I squint at this image that my eye is constantly drawn to the large out of focus boked area on top, and then total confusion results from whether the eye or the teeth are more ‘attractive’ to flick back to.
So for me – though the colour saturations are GREAT – I agree with Mary – the dof bothers me and leaves me not knowing which part of the image I’m interested in.
Maybe I’d try fiddling with cropping out the fish with eye? Not sure – that’s why I’d fiddle around with the framing to see what happens.

Boy – I’m SO GLAD people can disagree on what ‘works’ or not… Byron – you are pretty cool. Good to meet you.

BYRON BYRON 3115 posts

You are more than welcome to disagree. The point is that if we all explain why we disagree, then we all learn more and more as artists.

Oh and BTW, I am sending some hard hitting pipe wielding home-boys round to get medieval on yo’ ass!

DragonFlyer DragonFlyer 1215 posts

ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!
I totally agree with you about LEARNING from WHY we disagree. As I mentioned on the post for my ‘dead wasp’ – you made many comments that I can and will learn MUCH from – and most grateful to you for that!

- Re your hard hitting pipe wielding home-boys – you have NO IDEA how many bad-assed buggers like that I’ve dealt with in my life-time – and I’m still here laughing… (though with the odd nightmare or two).

Your obvious experience and training in HOW you explain things offers much to us photographically untrained folks – that’s why I’m here – to learn from people like you and hopefully – through my professionally untrained but pretty good eye – offer some insights in return for that.
Cheers!