A Photographer's Craft
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Can we choose to break rules and when we break the rules (ie center) can you get away with it. Can this solitary tree stand on it own merit center stage?
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sure. anyone can choose whatever they want |
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yes you can choose it but when can you get away with it?? |
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looks like you already did. it’s a good image so the results speak for themselves. |
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oh, i thought it was just a discussion because the last sentence and image were not there when i replied so i take it you are referring to a centrally composed image? yes, i think it looks great as is and you can get away with it. it is a very symmetrical image and that lends itself to a central composition, much like a reflection of a skyline in water would be great with a centrally composed horizon. it places equal emphasis on all parts of the photo. and you also have almost equal space on top of the tree as on bottom so it still works. |
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i was waiting for the picture to upload it didn’t work to well with my picture from my blog… |
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All rules are meant to be broken. Especially when the results are good like this one here. Something about a lone tree is appealing, it stands triumphant yet alone. |
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Hiya Theodore, Rules aren’t meant to be broken, rules are there so when you have to break them you can justify why you did so. Its a common misunderstanding. So… yes you can break the “rule” about not sticking something dead centre. But now you have to justify why you did it, photographically speaking, because technique, lighting and skill can’t make up for a dull photo. So lets look at why you don’t put things dead centre in a photo: Because it can make for a very uninteresting image. It splits the image in two, which effectively gives you two of the same thing to look at (the left side and the right side are essentially the same), which is why you don’t put horizons in the centre of a photo. So why can doing this be boring? Well if you have two halves of an image that look the same, after I have seen the left side, why would I want to look at the right side? And when I do… yawn, seen it before, bored now (as Buffy would say). So how do you justify it (breaking the rules) photographically? Knowing that doing what you have done here can lead to an uninteresting image, you have to create some interest. Yep, that’s it. Now since we now know that both sides of the image are the same, how do you create that interest?... You make each side different. A simple rule (I prefer the word “technique”) especially for landscapes, is to have multiple “points of interest” (POI) or “elements” to the image. Three POI’s is a good number for landscapes. Look at this photograph by BENSOUND. He has placed the red bridge dead centre of the photograph, but it is 1/3rd down from the top. It feels balanced, proportionally, within the photograph. Now how do you think this image would make you feel if there was only flat water in the foreground instead of the three rocks which just beg for your attention? Ben has used proportion, balance, and multiple points of interest (along with stunning technique) to create an image that really maintains the viewer’s interest.
Obviously, in your image, the tree is the main POI / element / subject. But I have seen trees before, so what are you going to do as a photographer to keep me interested in your photo? - Add something else, a secondary POI. One good trick is to give a sense of scale. By adding something recognisable, typically a person, you would create a sense of scale and give us a secondary POI to look at. A person walking out of shot (on the 1/3rd line) approx half way between the tree and the photographer would turn this into a completely different image! Look at this photograph by PETER KURDULIJA. I chose example because it has probably the most central theme you will find. If it had been just a single archway and beyond it just paving, then it would be quite ordinary. However Peter has included multiple points of interest in the form of a repeating pattern of archways
So, if you are going to “break a rule” that is fine, its great, but artistically you have to justify it to your viewer. Simply breaking a rule for the sake of doing so wont win you any Brownie Points unless you can say “yes I broke that rule, but see how I made it really work for this image!.” All that aside… Watch your horizon line, its not level and proportion-wise the foreground is too small in the image (think thirds again). The sky is too dark, the snow is over exposed and lacks detail, and there is very little detail in the tree. |
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being a single point of interest kind of gal, i am going to disagree with the need for multiple points. i think that one solid, strong point can be enough if it tells a story, which at that point could be accented by any of the following: hues, tones, DOF, texture. PS. Byron – thanks so much for yor help explaining everything with great examples. Just because i may disagree doesn’t mean i am not fascinated to read your posts! |
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ah photographys a wonderful thing so many points of view everyone sees things differently. I dont mind the tree dead center all though not knowing what was to the left or right of the tree makes it hard to know if framing the tree more left or right would have been better,however would like to see less foreground and more sky, thats my two bobs worth and thats proberly all its worth |
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Ty everybody for chiming in makes for some learning on all accounts. I have become more and more reluctant to center an object but then i fine i loose if i don’t at least consider it. critiques are a fantastic way to learn and develop your own work and with that I take everybody two bobs :) |
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Hiya Theodore, Don’t ever be reluctant to take this type of photo. Don’t ever think “i wont take this because it wont work.” Take the shot. It is always worth taking a photo like this, because it may well work. |
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When I am shooting I take tons of shots of the same thing, some using the rule of thirds and some centered, and in the end when I get home and look at them, I don’t think as much as I feel. I say save the thinking for when you are shooting and at that time think of everything you can, but in the end, it is how the photo makes someone feel and that may very well not follow the “rules.” |
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What Dana has said is spot-on the money! Shoot heaps and heaps of your subject, which especially now with digital technology is a viable option economics-wise. Move around, try different angles, formats, compositions… I have always maintained that you need to learn the “rules” and then unlearn them and shoot instinctively, otherwise they get in the way of being creative. My worst photos (and there are heaps of those!) are the ones where I have tried too hard! |
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that is very true about learning them and then unlearning them, especially rather than never learning them. if you never learn them then you don’t take composition into consideration as much. |
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i am a little scared to speak having read all this |
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thank you very much i appreciate everybody for taking the time to comment. I’ve have learned a lot from all who have commented on this thread. |
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Hiya SparrowDK, Thanx dude. I type for a living. And I’m a computer geek, but still, each critique I do takes about an hour. But, I am a governement employee, so I have plenty of time… You’re right about the curve of the snow, and if the horizon had been level as well, it would have looked awesome. |
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The only time I need rules, is when I can’t make up my mind. I think using the center of the image has his own unique power. If you’re going to go symmetrical make it totally symmetrical and use a square format. Maintain an equal space on the top and side of the tree to the outside image edge. when I used the Center the composition needs to be extremely tight, for to work. |
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I think you should take each subject from a range of vantage points and positing it in different areas of the frame. Then you can choose the most visually pleasing one when you are done. If we all followed the rules we would all take the same types of images, so break them to your hearts content i say! Personally i use DOF to emphasise parts of my pics, usually a shallow DOF to show sharo eyes and blurred foreground and background. Some critiquers would call these images ‘soft”. What the heck even is that?Haha! To me its a technique, and shouldnt be a judgement – its a ‘style’!! I also cut off bits of creatures in my shots, but i cut deliberately – so if you are going to do that do it with conviction so it looks intentional and not accidental! |
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Better to know the rules and make a conscious decision to break it, for a reason. Then to just do it to break it. If breaking the rule adds to the picture, do it. If your doing it for a reason like a client wants it that way, then do it. The picture above I don’t think qualifies as a reason to break it, unless you explain what it was you were trying to achieve with this, I’d say keep the tree out of dead center. |
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ok, but why? |
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ok one of the reasons i placed the tree dead center is to ad a peaceful stable feeling. The only dynamic i wanted the viewer to take were the many branches. I’ve learned a lot from this tread and didn’t expect such a long one :) thanks for all who posted and continue to post. Then again can a solitary tree stand on its own center stage? |
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Some rules are meant to be broken, then there are those objects and scenes that work very well in the middle. |
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I have just a simple question: What do you all mean by it works? What is it that makes it work? It expresses feelings, emotions or ideas? or is just visually apealling to many people so they would hang it on their wall? |


